GT: Canadian Federal Election 2019

[Art Vandelay]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/andr...sult-1.5330454

This opinion piece echos a lot of what’s being said. I never understood the appeal of Sheer. Can’t see them ever winning a majority with him as leader

Conservatism in Canada doesn't necessarily look like Andrew Scheer's concept. It doesn't have to, anyway.

It can be pro choice, like Lisa Raitt, who lost her seat in the Greater Toronto Area riding of Milton last night. It can be openly supportive of same-sex marriage, like Michelle Rempel, who was re-elected to hers in Calgary Nose Hill.

It can be be responsive to social injustice, like Rona Ambrose, who pushed a bill for mandatory sexual assault training for judges even after she left her post as interim Conservative leader. And it can be concerned about climate change, like Michael Chong, who was re-elected to his seat in the Ontario riding of Wellington-Halton Hills.

[GullFoss]

My point about focusing on post-secondary education was exclusively about gaining traction in the GTA. It's not about some country wide issue. The GTA doesnt have a resource economy; it's knowledge based.

For the 60 ridings of the GTA - where there are plenty of jobs in banking, Telecom, commerce, corporate functions, technology, healthcare, engineering etc - the focus for most middle class families with kids is going to be about getting their kids into a quality university so they can get a quality job in the GTA.

If the CPC wants to make inroads into the GTA - which is the only realistic path to victory - they have to make a real push to win over the middle class in the GTA.

Immigrants and second generation Canadians - especially those from south asian and East Asian roots - push for their kids to go to university. The culture for many first and second generation immigrants from south and east Asia and from the west Indies is kids study hard and get into a university. That's why they work hard - so their kids can focus on studies, get into a university and have a "better life". The GTA is 50% non-white.

And making post-secondary education more affordable - through tuition caps, salary caps for professors, forced reduction of admin staff, and direct tuition subsidies - is a winning policy and great vote pandering.

Then you frame it. Liberals want to waste money on virtue signaling about climate change. You know who knows better than most that India and China give 0 ####s about climate change? Immigrants from India and China. So it's a credible argument.

In contrast, the CPC wants spend that money on your family's education. So if you and your kids work hard, there is a clear pathway to a better life for you and your family that doesn't involve eye-watering levels of debt.

[bob-loblaw]

I wonder if Scheer and the American citizenship issue changed any minds about him.

[Tsawwassen]

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said today he has no plans to resign, and vowed instead to stay at the helm of his party and take another swing at defeating Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in the next election.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/and...330762?cmp=rss


Ugh.

That makes sense for him to stay on as the Conservative leader and there is precedent for this pattern. Harper also lost to a Paul Martin Liberal minority win and took another swing at defeating Prime Minister Martin in the next election and did defeat him in a minority win. Looking back further, the Conservatives led by Robert Stanfield took 3 swings at Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau and lost each time.

[Fuzz]

Ya, I know there is precedent, and yes, he could defeat Trudeau at the next election, but social baggage is a lot bigger deal these days, and it will be more so in the future. And I'm personally just hoping he will GTFO so we have perhaps a better option next election.

[Tsawwassen]

I agree with you on social baggage being a big deal right now. Scheer has it and Trudeau is getting weighed down with it.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/andr...sult-1.5330454

This opinion piece echos a lot of what’s being said. I never understood the appeal of Sheer. Can’t see them ever winning a majority with him as leader

Harper went through the same thing at the beginning of his leadership, lack of appeal and many doubts on him winning a majority.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

The CPC isn't pro-pipeline though. It's an act. Sure they approved Northern Gateway but all they had to do was declare it in the National Interest and it wouldn't have had to gone through courts and would have been constructed instead of being left to die for years on end. At least that's what I've been told about Trans Mountain.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Look just because this government is a minority government the Cons would need both the Bloc and the NDP to topple this government. Its not going to happen, we're looking at a long term Liberal Government that is probably going to have to give in to the NDP and spend a lot more money then their current uncosted platform.

I figure that we're going to see a real angry backlash from the West when the Feds impose their carbon tax on the province.

Even though the NDP had a poor performance they're going to get rewarded for it.

Its no surprise that the Liberal's were swept out in Alberta, Boissenault was the face of corruption with his smirking shut down with the Ethics committee. Sohi showed no progress on the file and supported Bills C-69 and C-48. Hehr was horrific as an MP and exposed as having little character and little energy and standing up for Alberta interests. Goodale it was time to go.

Its too bad that Raitt is out, she was a moderate balance in the Conservative Party.

A minority government needs a head that has heavy work ethic and the desire to heal Rifts both party wise and country wise. We'll see if Trudeau grows up.

How long is long term? The 3 parties mentioned have toppled a Liberal minority before and that was in 2006 after a 19 month Paul Martin government.

[Northendzone]

saw a clip on twitter where some political pundit on CBC as seemingly suggesting that the Liberals engaged in a policy of dividing canada and pitting the west and PQ against each other in order to win. I'd like to think that is not true - but it does make you wonder

during the clip Wendy Measely from CBC looked very sour

[Resolute 14]

I mean, dividing the country has been a tried and true Liberal strategy for a very long time. Why wouldn't you think it's true? Particularly under a PM who's negative opinion of Alberta is already a matter of public record.

[PsYcNeT]

Alberta's public relations problem is a self-fulfilling prophecy however. Chicken or egg, our whining begets scorn, begets whining begets scorn etc.

We're the Edmonton Oilers of Canada unfortunately; myopic and unable to see past the real or perceived injustices we've endured and constantly trying to do the same thing over and over even though it clearly doesn't work.

No one is buying the martyrdom act.

[Resolute 14]

And here comes Psycnet straight up trolling, as usual.

[Ozy_Flame]

How is that trolling?

[PsYcNeT]

If telling the truth from outside the forum bubble is trolling, then we got some big hurdles to clear.

No one is looking at our median income levels and 6.6% unemployment and feeling sorry for us.

[Resolute 14]

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

saw a clip on twitter where some political pundit on CBC as seemingly suggesting that the Liberals engaged in a policy of dividing canada and pitting the west and PQ against each other in order to win. I'd like to think that is not true - but it does make you wonder

during the clip Wendy Measely from CBC looked very sour

Yeah Trudeau berating Western Premiers, and in his Quebec run framing this as a fight between Quebec and the evvvvil Oil Barons and their Oil Money wasn't about divisive politics. On all sides this election was about splitting the country into important voting blocks for each party and vilifying the other.


I saw that clip where he classified Trudeau's victory speech as I think irresponsible, I agree with most of what he said.



Especially with Trudeau's campaigning in Quebec where his tone took on a decidedly anti-Alberta Oil slant.

[Northendzone]

guess because at the end of the day i love all of canada, and to think that a politician would actively campaign by pitting regions of the country against each other seems corrupt.

to me politicians should be working to ensure that all of canada is stronger. You want to shut down O&G then fine. Why are we not shutting down auto manufacturing Ontario/PQ or "forcing" them to build 100% "green" vehicles.

I guess to some extent i have now answered my own post

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I mean, dividing the country has been a tried and true Liberal strategy for a very long time. Why wouldn't you think it's true? Particularly under a PM who's negative opinion of Alberta is already a matter of public record.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

guess because at the end of the day i love all of canada, and to think that a politician would actively campaign by pitting regions of the country against each other seems corrupt.

to me politicians should be working to ensure that all of canada is stronger. You want to shut down O&G then fine. Why are we not shutting down auto manufacturing Ontario/PQ or "forcing" them to build 100% "green" vehicles.

I guess to some extent i have now answered my own post

You are aware of who we are talking about....right?

Corruption is Justins middle name.

Its not entirely his fault though. His father wrote this playbook 40 years ago, Butts just engineered a plan to take it much further and it has worked brilliantly.

The Laurentian elite absolutely love this strategy.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/andr...sult-1.5330454

This opinion piece echos a lot of what’s being said. I never understood the appeal of Sheer. Can’t see them ever winning a majority with him as leader

I've always voted Liberal in federal elections, but if the cons could just drop the bible thumping nonsense and adopt a real climate change platform I would have no issues voting for them. Unfortunately with how their leadership elections have been hijacked I doubt that will ever happen