GT: Canadian Federal Election 2019

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

On the first part - No, there won't be an election right away, of course. Probably within two years though.

On the latter, SNC is part of it. Trudeau's actions followed heavily lobbying and donations from SNC Lavelin to try and get exactly what Trudeau was attempting to force JWR to do. But that was only one of Trudeau's many ethical breaches. Including accepting vacations paid for by the Aga Khan. Trudeau has made it pretty clear that he's into quid pro quo if he thinks he can get away with it.

My view of Trudeau is that he believes his press clippings, thinks he's political royalty and stuff like that vacation is part of the package. So to me it's not quite corruption, but certainly not something to ignore or that can't justify rejecting his party.

I'm being overly picky about semantics here though. At the end of the day, that stuff is of lesser importance to me than legislation, policies, etc. And if his minority looks to be falling apart, I could see him stepping down - it's happened before.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I'd argue engaging in illegal activities to try to secure Quebec votes for his party so he can stay in power is a pretty big personal gain, so the word "corrupt" is used pretty accurately in this sense.

Fair enough.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Your first point can point to corruption, providing Trudeau was in on the illegal donation or if any donation was tied to his efforts to reduce their penalty. The others don't - they go more with my argument.

Again, I'm not saying it wasn't wrong. I'm saying it doesn't point to self-enrichment. Perhaps my definition of corruption is overly narrow. Certainly political gain is at issue here. But that is a huge continuum - lots of industries, or even individuals "invest" via donations to parties who they expect will do things that benefit them. That all should change IMO.

Ummm donating and then being allowed to dictate a get out of jail free card into a omnibus bill is to me a good example of corruption.


Jobs were not on the line, the Liberals never proved that Lavalin said there weren't jobs on the line. They had a huge backlog of jobs so losing the government contracts probably actually would have created more jobs. On top of that Lavalin had received huge money from Quebec on the conditions that they couldn't move their operations.



But what you're doing is exactly why there needs to be a proper judicial inquiry into the whole sordid affair.

[DuffMan]

I feel like I am reading conspiracy driven nut cases on fb.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I feel like I am reading conspiracy driven nut cases on fb.

Linkedin is worse.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Ummm donating and then being allowed to dictate a get out of jail free card into a omnibus bill is to me a good example of corruption.


Jobs were not on the line, the Liberals never proved that Lavalin said there weren't jobs on the line. They had a huge backlog of jobs so losing the government contracts probably actually would have created more jobs. On top of that Lavalin had received huge money from Quebec on the conditions that they couldn't move their operations.



But what you're doing is exactly why there needs to be a proper judicial inquiry into the whole sordid affair.

Yeah, I don't oppose that. Partly because what you present as facts are not established one way or another (eg. dictating legislation, the fallout from the penalty).

Though judicial reviews are not very efficient in my experience - that process is cumbersome, limited and often itself very flawed. It's better done through a police investigation.

[btimbit]

Well congratulations Canada on electing your first brown Prime Minister

[_Q_]

Facebook has been absolutely stupid this morning (well stupider than normal).

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Yeah, a lot of people seem to forget that Quebec had leverage. It has access to Hudson's Bay and the St. Lawrence.


Alberta can maybe roll barrels of oil down the Bow River or N. Saskatchewan and hope for the best.

Separation would mean relying on the U.S. for pipelines which is a pretty iffy proposition. There’s as much opposition to pipelines in non-oil-producing states as there is in Canada. The big benefit would be keeping the transfer payments I guess.

Then there’s also the issue of oil’s future in general. I think most people agree there should be at least another 2-3 good decades, then a tapering off. After that who knows. Separation may be somewhat beneficial in the short-to-medium term. I don’t know about the long term though. It’s a pretty big risk.

[peter12]

So glad that I don't have Facebook.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

So PEI could never lose a seat then.

I already pointed out that they can never go below the number of senate seats they are allotted.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by madmike

Separation would mean relying on the U.S. for pipelines which is a pretty iffy proposition. There’s as much opposition to pipelines in non-oil-producing states as there is in Canada. The big benefit would be keeping the transfer payments I guess.

Then there’s also the issue of oil’s future in general. I think most people agree there should be at least another 2-3 good decades, then a tapering off. After that who knows. Separation may be somewhat beneficial in the short-to-medium term. I don’t know about the long term though. It’s a pretty big risk.

The US doesn't need Canadian oil any more. And their producers would object big time to the addition of competition.

I suspect that a lot of people just aren't up on exactly what separation would entail.

[burn_this_city]

I took a peek at facebook last night and shut it right away. Not sure what people expected with Dandy Andy and his unimpeachable religious principals. I knew it was done when he wouldn't even cave and say he was wrong in 2005 and had evolved. People need to realize the social conservatives threw this election.

[_Q_]

Can't say I'm not disappointed, but this is still a decent result in my opinion. I'm hoping Scheer gets punted and the CPC can get a fresh leader.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by peter12

So glad that I don't have Facebook.

Facebook is for old people and weirdos.

[PeteMoss]

My biggest surprise during the coverage was CBC saying TMX was already approved by the government so it doesn't need a revote once it passes the courts even if the Liberals were in a spot where they needed an NDP coalition.

Which leads me to question why everyone was up in arms over this. Are you thinking the Liberals are going to junk it now just to be dicks about it?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Facebook is for old people and weirdos.

I'm both!

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't think that Separation is truly on the table. I think that the Bloc showed the model that Alberta should maybe follow which is the concept of Nationalism. Quebec has clearly defined that while they are in Canada, they are a unique nation within that country and its Quebec first and Canada second.



I think that now the clock is absolutely ticking on TMX and seeing pipes going into the ground on the BC side of the border. It doesn't help that Trudeau's star candidate came out before the election and confirmed that C-69 was designed to kill future pipelines.



Look just because this government is a minority government the Cons would need both the Bloc and the NDP to topple this government. Its not going to happen, we're looking at a long term Liberal Government that is probably going to have to give in to the NDP and spend a lot more money then their current uncosted platform.


I figure that we're going to see a real angry backlash from the West when the Feds impose their carbon tax on the province.



Even though the NDP had a poor performance they're going to get rewarded for it.



Its no surprise that the Liberal's were swept out in Alberta, Boissenault was the face of corruption with his smirking shut down with the Ethics committee. Sohi showed no progress on the file and supported Bills C-69 and C-48. Hehr was horrific as an MP and exposed as having little character and little energy and standing up for Alberta interests. Goodale it was time to go.


Its too bad that Raitt is out, she was a moderate balance in the Conservative Party.


A minority government needs a head that has heavy work ethic and the desire to heal Rifts both party wise and country wise. We'll see if Trudeau grows up.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't think that Separation is truly on the table. I think that the Bloc showed the model that Alberta should maybe follow which is the concept of Nationalism. Quebec has clearly defined that while they are in Canada, they are a unique nation within that country and its Quebec first and Canada second.



I think that now the clock is absolutely ticking on TMX and seeing pipes going into the ground on the BC side of the border. It doesn't help that Trudeau's star candidate came out before the election and confirmed that C-69 was designed to kill future pipelines.



Look just because this government is a minority government the Cons would need both the Bloc and the NDP to topple this government. Its not going to happen, we're looking at a long term Liberal Government that is probably going to have to give in to the NDP and spend a lot more money then their current uncosted platform.


I figure that we're going to see a real angry backlash from the West when the Feds impose their carbon tax on the province.

Suspect once peoeple understand how the carbon tax actually works, they will be fine with it.

You'll get TMX and Keystone. After that - its going to be tough to get more as you said.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Suspect once peoeple understand how the carbon tax actually works, they will be fine with it.

You'll get TMX and Keystone. After that - its going to be tough to get more as you said.

We already had a carbon tax. KXL won't be built unless Trump wins again.