GT: Canadian Federal Election 2019

[midniteowl]

Yes, if the Conservative wants to win the next election, Scheer needs to go. I actually do not like his gay rights view, but I went out and voted for Conservative because I genuinely hated Trudeau. I do not want to vote for others candidates because I do not want to dilute the votes. But it ends up all for not, Atlantic and Eastern Canada voted for a crook, very disheartening.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by redforever

A province can lose seats but no more than 15% at a time.

So PEI could never lose a seat then.

[Julio]

Originally Posted by redforever

A province can lose seats but no more than 15% at a time.

Sask. has had 14 seats since the 80's, keeping them even when they lost population through the 90's. Are you certain? I haven't seen that anywhere.


And I see here that you can't drop a privince from the # of seats they had in 1985...so maybe that's why Sask hasn't dropped?



https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const//page-2.html#h-6

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well it has to some degree. The Republican strategy is to develop a solid base and then try to get more of their voters to the polls (and suppress Democrat voters). The CPC are clearly running the same playbook to some degree but it doesn't work due to where their base is concentrated.

It doesn't work because of a multi-party platform.

Also, a wider political spectrum in Canada.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It doesn't work because of a multi-party platform.

Also, a wider political spectrum in Canada.

It should actually work better in a multi-party system as you only need 40% to become a majority the way the country is set up.

[81MC]

I'm gonna go to bed, but Peter Mansbridge was pretty on point with his wrap up. The entire thing was underwhelming.

I sincerely hope we have a big change in society. This is the federal election for god sakes, and it seems almost universal that the platforms, campaign, outcomes and messages to the public were less than inspired. We can't accept mundane, indifferent or inconsiderate leadership. Disagreements are healthy, and we need different viewpoints. But it seems like each party was so off the mark through this entire thing that a regional party like the Bloc actually comes out looking the best (which is disgusting). Given the outcome, it's disheartening how the leaders communicated to Canadians, and I really hope we can get back to truly caring about each other and our country, not just pats on the back, from the top to the bottom.

On a positive note, it's important to remember just how lucky we are that our elections don't come with mob justice, violence or fraud. Democracy has its issues, but I would still prefer this rather lifeless election over most alternatives.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Julio

Sask. has had 14 seats since the 80's, keeping them even when they lost population through the 90's. Are you certain? I haven't seen that anywhere.

And I see here that you can't drop a privince from the # of seats they had in 1985...so maybe that's why Sask hasn't dropped?

https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const//page-2.html#h-6

Yeah, provinces can't lose seats anymore with the current legislation in place. More details can be found from the article talking about the 2012 redistribution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadi...ribution,_2012

Out of personal curiosity, I tried to guess what the seat counts might look like after 2022 based on current population numbers and the rules in place:

Ontario: 132
Quebec: 82
BC: 46
Alberta: 40
Manitoba: 14
Saskatchewan: 14
Nova Scotia: 11
New Brunswick: 10
Newfoundland: 7
PEI: 4
The three territories with 1 each.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I know so many young voters who focused on the minimum wage or tuition costs as their important issues. They almost universally skewed left -- the only question was how far.

That wasn't some kind of a shift, it has always been such. Tuition and wages are among the most important issues to young voters. As peoples' lives change - having kids, buying a home, having higher earnings (and thus paying more taxes), and then retirement, these changes cause migration on the political spectrum.

[Enoch Root]

I can't ever remember a more pathetic collection of speeches. Which, after thinking on it, is a perfect ending to a brutal election.

First of all, they got started way to late. DOn't know who's fault that was, but it exacerbated everything.

Singh comes out and acts like he won the election. Then he proceeds to present a campaign speech instead of a thank you speech. For 20 ####ing minutes.

Then Scheer comes on and...

Then Trudeau does the most classless thing I can remember with regards to acceptance speeches since that Party Quebecois guy came out hammered, holding a cocktail, and proceeding to blame 'money and the ethnic vote'. His people had spoken to the PC camp, so he knew Scheer was speaking. And not only was that incredibly bad form, but then he proceeded to act like he had just won a huge majority. No humility at all.

Then back to Scheer to hear his delusional comments about the CPC being on the path to victory or something to that effect. Dude... you should have killed this election, but instead you soiled your pants.

Do none of these people have any shame? Or self-awareness?

Sadly, the best speech came from the Bloc guy - and that includes him saying no oil through Quebec.

What a mess this country is in.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by 81MC

150k vote difference between Green and the Bloc - 29 seat difference.
I won't get into the FPTP debate, but it is hard to not really seriously question how unjust this electrical system is.

I find it helps to accept these things if you can just stay well grounded, there's just no point in letting yourself get all amped up

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You mean the prospect of income splitting for high income earners to fictionally attribute their income to a stay at home spouse didn't excite young voters who can barely afford to pay their rent?

Right, and a family of four with all four earning approximately the same income as one another should pay only half the tax as a family of six with the exact same total family income but only one wage-earner because???

Single-income families are a minority that have been taken advantage of for years because they are not a visible minority. But in my opinion the unfair treatment of single income families compared to multiple income families with the exact same total income is highly discriminatory and unethical.

Better yet, why don’t we move on from an archaic tax system that is complex and makes most of its income from middle class families while allowing the richest to shield their money in foreign trusts, and replace it with a pure sales tax that exempts food and medication? This would be completely transparent, would prevent most tax evasion, would eliminate most of the stress and expense of filing tax returns, and would save the government hundreds of millions in income tax assessment expenses.

Income tax is billed as being progressive, but in reality it’s not, because it ignores someone’s ability to pay due to debt, divorce, and other circumstances, while allowing the richest to largely avoid it. Sales tax ensures that everyone pays in proportion to their ability to do so, as measured by their discretionary spending. This is why studies comparing various tax regimes demonstrate that sales tax is the fairest and most efficient tax.

I’ve never understood the vilification of and discrimination against single income families. My family of six has been a single income family for twenty years for health issues and children with special needs, and I am fed up of paying much more in tax than families with multiple wage earners and a significantly higher total income. And I particularly resent the fact that the Liberals are persecuting middle class families who are succeeding as a result of hard work while refusing to do anything about the ultra-rich families, including some of the most prominent members of their own party, whose wealth is hidden through offshore schemes like those outlined in the Paradise Papers. I guess the Liberals have learned to not bite the hand that feeds them through illegal third-party donations. They market themselves as the champions of the middle class, but in truth, they are mostly serving the interests of the 1%, because that is where their money and leadership come from.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I find it helps to accept these things if you can just stay well grounded, there's just no point in letting yourself get all amped up

Quoted and thanked for the low key electrical puns.

[driveway]

114 seats from Manitoba to the Pacific Ocean (11.9 million Canadians)
Conservatives: 68
Liberals: 15

110 seats from Quebec to the Atlantic Ocean (10.8 million Canadians)
Conservatives: 14
Liberals: 61

[N-E-B]

Roger Millions having a full on meltdown on Twitter and declaring that he is now a separatist was a highlight of the night.

I’m not happy we let this clown off the hook but let’s pump the brakes a bit. I’m not sure separation is a great idea.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The greens are irrelevant. Why are we seeing her speech?

I suppose it’s because a million Canadians voted for them?

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Roger Millions having a full on meltdown on Twitter and declaring that he is now a separatist was a highlight of the night.

I’m not happy we let this clown off the hook but let’s pump the brakes a bit. I’m not sure separation is a great idea.

Clearly the system is broken. We have no possibility to change it, other then to step out of federalism. Not into separatism which is a WILD swing. Too much THIS or THAT. We need a union in Canada.

It doesn't have to be extreme or contentious. When you look at the Bloc with their intent to have their succession, and the votes they have and the diversity of federalism, that our Country has changed. It's modern times. Why are we holding them back from what they want?

We don't need to separate but change federalism to a union, which power transfer back to the individual regions along with current debts to each province that wants and they are able to make responsible and effective decisions for their constituency.

So now that we have been transported back to the politics of Canada old (25 years ago) it's not a crazy theory that this system is no longer addressing modern day needs of the voting electorate, which are supposed to the power of smart governing. The rules of the game are no longer fitting in 2020.

It's time to think about the Meech Lake Louise Accord.

[rubecube]

Well that #wexit trend is pretty damn stupid. Couldn't have come up with a better name for your salt fest?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by robbie111

Conservatives are winning the popular vote across Canada right now but lost the election just like the Dems who won the popular vote lost to the Republicans.

Looks like our system works as well as the American system.

This is not surprising, as they're similar systems. Both are districted FPTP.

[doozwimp]

thank you zamler and burn_this_city for your jokes on electrical reform. One of the funniest things i've ever read on cp maybe.

Sheer (no pun intended) brilliance the both of you.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by 81MC

I sincerely hope we have a big change in society. This is the federal election for god sakes, and it seems almost universal that the platforms, campaign, outcomes and messages to the public were less than inspired. We can't accept mundane, indifferent or inconsiderate leadership.

I don't know where this idea comes from. Expanding the public health care system beyond hospitalizations, for instance, would be a really big thing. If our country is running well, it should be hard to find major improvements every four years anyways.