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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
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Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade
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109 |
16.80% |
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Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better
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197 |
30.35% |
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Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project
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187 |
28.81% |
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Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back
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107 |
16.49% |
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Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton
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7.55% |
10-14-2019, 12:14 PM
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#3281
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
The actual cash savings was many millions of dollars due to the fact the Lucic's contract was front loaded with bonuses paid.
Money may not matter to the fans, but it is relevant to the owners.
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Exactly in real dollars Lucic has $13M (less $2.25M Edmonton is paying) for $10.75M for the final three years.
Edmonton has $17.25M plus the $2.25M for $19.5M for the same time period.
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10-14-2019, 12:16 PM
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#3282
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
If you seriously think Milan Lucic is going to occupy a protected slot in the expansion draft, I don't know what to tell you.
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Agreed.
I'm guessing from what Treliving said/didn't say after the trade that they've worked this out as much as you can in advance.
If they haven't you buy him out at that point, lose the cap space and save the lost asset that you'd forgo if he was protected.
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10-14-2019, 12:16 PM
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#3283
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why are you so positive he will waive his NMC?
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Why wouldn't he? Also what forward are we worried about losing? Calgary almost certainly loses a dman
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10-14-2019, 12:17 PM
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#3284
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why are you so positive he will waive his NMC?
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I agree that no one should be "positive", but the hints were certainly to the degree that I'm not all that worried about it.
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10-14-2019, 12:35 PM
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#3285
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
It was however a similar situation in that a coach didn't like the player and put the GM in a bad situation. At least Zanuillian wasn't an albatross contract that can't be bought out or exposed in the expansion draft.
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Ya he also never even played an NHL game. And Savard was better then any other Center we have ever had since. Brutal.
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10-14-2019, 12:49 PM
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#3286
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
It was however a similar situation in that a coach didn't like the player and put the GM in a bad situation. At least Zanuillian wasn't an albatross contract that can't be bought out or exposed in the expansion draft.
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He can be bought out though, I think we need to let that rest.
It doesn't bring huge cap savings, but if they want the guy off the roster they can certainly do it.
Calgary buying out Lucic in June for example would result in a cap hit of
4.8M
3.5M
4.8M
0.4M
0.4M
0.4M
compared to $5.25M for the first three.
If they do it prior to the expansion draft it would look like ...
3.5M
4.8M
0.6M
0.6M
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10-14-2019, 01:00 PM
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#3287
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Bingo
He can be bought out though, I think we need to let that rest.
It doesn't bring huge cap savings, but if they want the guy off the roster they can certainly do it.
Calgary buying out Lucic in June for example would result in a cap hit of
4.8M
3.5M
4.8M
0.4M
0.4M
0.4M
compared to $5.25M for the first three.
If they do it prior to the expansion draft it would look like ...
3.5M
4.8M
0.6M
0.6M
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Well yeah, they can also just send him to Stockton if they want too. Doesn't help the club more than minimum on cap savings however.
That is not the issue though. Its all about cap space and as you have clearly laid out, it really does little to help them in that area moving forward.
Just an albatross of a contract vs return. Maybe the worst in hockey and will continue to affect the team for at least 4 years.
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10-14-2019, 01:29 PM
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#3288
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why are you so positive he will waive his NMC?
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This was a trade that took a lot of setting up. Iginla called Lucic to vouch for the organization. Lucic's NMC was essentially keeping him hostage in Edmonton - no matter where he went, there'd have to be a handshake deal that when the time came, Lucic would waive for the draft.
Lucic knows he's not going to be selected. He waives his NMC to return the favor to the team that gave him a fresh start.
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10-14-2019, 01:30 PM
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#3289
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CP's Fraser Crane
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I don’t think he can be sent down NMC and all
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10-14-2019, 01:36 PM
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#3290
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Well yeah, they can also just send him to Stockton if they want too. Doesn't help the club more than minimum on cap savings however.
That is not the issue though. Its all about cap space and as you have clearly laid out, it really does little to help them in that area moving forward.
Just an albatross of a contract vs return. Maybe the worst in hockey and will continue to affect the team for at least 4 years.
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With the expansion draft it's more than that.
You can buy him out and get him off the roster. To say he can't be bought out is wrong.
And it does save some cap ...
And at least four years? There is less than four years left now, are you speaking of residual trauma from the contract that rolls into the next season with Lucic gone? Or do see them extending him?
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10-14-2019, 01:38 PM
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#3291
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by stang
I don’t think he can be sent down NMC and all
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It has been hinted/suggested that to finalize the trade, the NMC was effectively made null and void.
At least that's how I understood it.
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10-14-2019, 01:44 PM
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#3292
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Fort McMurray, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Exactly in real dollars Lucic has $13M (less $2.25M Edmonton is paying) for $10.75M for the final three years.
Edmonton has $17.25M plus the $2.25M for $19.5M for the same time period.
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Good Lord!
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10-14-2019, 01:47 PM
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#3293
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
It has been hinted/suggested that to finalize the trade, the NMC was effectively made null and void.
At least that's how I understood it.
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Lucic would have waived it for this trade. It would not be null and void.
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10-14-2019, 02:08 PM
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#3294
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
It has been hinted/suggested that to finalize the trade, the NMC was effectively made null and void.
At least that's how I understood it.
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I thought it was reported the Flames will honor the clause going forward. I wouldn’t be surprised if they worked out a deal where he waives for expansion but he won’t be waiving for Stockton.
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10-14-2019, 02:35 PM
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#3295
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Franchise Player
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I believe a NMC is only null and void after a trade if a player is traded before the contract even kicks in (like Visnovsky in Edmonton for example).
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10-14-2019, 02:37 PM
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#3296
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CP's Fraser Crane
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
It has been hinted/suggested that to finalize the trade, the NMC was effectively made null and void.
At least that's how I understood it.
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Nope. It’s still in effect.
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10-14-2019, 02:47 PM
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#3297
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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"Because it saved Murray Edwards cash" isn't a compelling argument for Lucic imo.
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10-14-2019, 02:59 PM
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#3298
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
With the expansion draft it's more than that.
You can buy him out and get him off the roster. To say he can't be bought out is wrong.
And it does save some cap ...
And at least four years? There is less than four years left now, are you speaking of residual trauma from the contract that rolls into the next season with Lucic gone? Or do see them extending him?
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This year = 1 + 3 more...does that not total 4 in your world?
If they do buy him out, that gets extended, hence "at least"
What am i missing here? 
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10-14-2019, 03:00 PM
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#3299
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat
I believe a NMC is only null and void after a trade if a player is traded before the contract even kicks in (like Visnovsky in Edmonton for example).
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OK, in that case the acquisition is indeed even worse, or at least has that possibility.
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10-14-2019, 03:12 PM
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#3300
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
This year = 1 + 3 more...does that not total 4 in your world?
If they do buy him out, that gets extended, hence "at least"
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You said AT LEAST four years when there is less than four years left now (October almost gone in the fourth last year)
So no ... 6/7 + 3 = 3 6/7 not "at least four"
In my world.
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