[Signing] Flames sign Tkachuk (3 yrs, $7 mil AAV)

[Manhattanboy]

Disappointed he would not agree to a long term deal. So much for all the talk of Tkachuk being the future captain of the Flames.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

...High fives to everyone who had 3x6 in the poll thread. The closest answer to correct!

Can I vote now?

[JD]

Certainly this year there's no cap space to fit the kind of player that would cost a 1st rounder at the deadline anyway. Unless something changes.

I think this kind of deal gives both parties more options in a couple years when they see how things unfold. Not to mention now it gives Calgary more cap space to work with than if they committed to a long term deal. When you are supposedly in your contention window, that's valuable.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Once it became clear that Tkachuk wanted a shorter term deal and Treliving bought into it, the AAV was always going to be low enough to fit him in.

I don't believe that Treliving wouldn't have preferred a longer deal (at least 6 years) at an AAV which would have meant he had to move someone.

Treliving likely plugged his nose and got the deal done. I don't think he had any choice.

I think the Marner deal took long term away from all the RFAs. Pretty much every domino since has been a bridge.

I certainly wasn't suggesting Treliving was a genius, just stated that I'm glad he didn't end up painted into a corner and a contending team can keep its' depth.

Pretty much his job. Check mark.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

GM's don't need to do this, it's part of the negotiation process.

It actually make sense if you consider that you'd expect a players salary to raise as he reaches his prime. Having Tkachuk qualified at $9M is likely where his market would be at that time.

While that's true, it also might not be. Plenty of players fail to live up to their contracts.

The QO is only there to retain rights -- retaining Tkachuk with a QO of 7 when his value is 9+ is just the start of a negotiation. Retaining Tkachuk with a QO of 9 when his value is 7 -- or lower -- just handcuffs the team into overpaying or losing the player for nothing.

[bax]

Originally Posted by jg13

Last Season:

Tkachuk 34 goals, 44 assists, 78 points (11 ppg, 24 ppp) 17:36 TOI/PG
Point 41 goals, 51 assists, 92 points (20 ppg, 30 ppp) 18:55 TOI/P

Tkachuk had 108 minutes less ice time than point and Tkachuk puts up a point for every 18:30 seconds on the ice which would give Tkachuk 6 more points if he had as much time as point which would give him 36G, 47A for 84 points to Points 92.

So 8 less points but brings an element to the game that Point does not. Give me Tkachuks #### disturbing element over an extra 8 points over the course of the season.

Also Tkachuk drew 42 minor penalties last year to Points 22.

This contract is fine.

Also, Point is 23 turning 24 this year. Tkachuk is 21 turning 22. It's not like they are from the same draft or anything.

In Point's 20-21 year old season he put up 40 points in 69 games. Tkachuk put up 77 in 80 playing on a shut down line.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Gio, Johnny, and Tkachuk are all up at the same time.

Let's all prepare to not draft in the 1st round for two of the next three years. The window is open.

Yeah, that was my first thought when I saw the salary grid... we have a three year window to win the cup before the team will have to enter at least a retool. I imagine the next three drafts will pretty lean at the top with the team going all-in every year.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Disappointed he would not agree to a long term deal. So much for all the talk of Tkachuk being the future captain of the Flames.

Iginla never signed for more than three years with Calgary until he was 30 years old.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Gio will be staring at retirement and Johnny possibly leaving and Tkachuk possibly with one year left with the team. You flip those picks for rentals then these three players are all gone in 3/4 years and the Flames will be opening up their new arena with what looks like a 90's expansion team.

Mmmmm. No. Minus Tkachuk, Gaudreau and Giordano, and the roster still comprises four top-four defensemen under the age of 26, centre depth featuring Monahan, Lindholm, and Backlund, and at least $20 m of cap space. The Flames are not going to fill those vacancies with scrubs and journeymen.

[Toonage]

^ The return of Lee Stempniak!

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Another thing to keep in mind is that when Point was 21, he scored 40 points in 68 games.

As good as Point is, I think Tkachuk is being slightly underappreciated here. He scored 77 points as 21 year old playing on the checking line.

Don't count him out yet when it comes to production versus some of these RFAs.

The deal isn't perfect, but I think there is a decent chance he will be the captain of the team at the end of this contract (if Gio retires).

Point big season came with a change of him and Stamos flipping who plays with kucherov. Not saying point isn't great but Tkachuk didn't get to play with nhl leading scorer all season. A guy who had 30 more points than he did. It like saying drasaitl is top 10 in league. 50 goals 105 points but flames fans seem to recognize why he isn't yet dont see it with a non oiler

Flames window is 4 years assuming they resign both. 3 years from now guys like monahan lindholm hanifin will be huge steals. Next 3 years are going to be fun

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I am fine with the bridge deal. Once upon a time, when RFAs were paid at a discount to UFAs and UFAs were older and closer to the end of their careers, a long term deal lowered the AAV. Now, as the Marner and a few other deals show, a long term deal creates a higher AAV. This simply wouldn't work for the Flames in the short term. They have all of their important players under the cap and signed for 3-4 years. This is as good as it gets.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Disappointed he would not agree to a long term deal. So much for all the talk of Tkachuk being the future captain of the Flames.

Oh #### off.

The Flames didn't have the cap space to offer him a long term deal. We knew that. Everyone knew that.

BT could have traded Frolik or Brodie, to have that ability to offer a 6yr+ deal, but then he'd be looking for players like Frolik or Brodie at the trade deadline, and would have to overpay with picks and/or prospects.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the Marner deal took long term away from all the RFAs. Pretty much every domino since has been a bridge.

I certainly wasn't suggesting Treliving was a genius, just stated that I'm glad he didn't end up painted into a corner and a contending team can keep its' depth.

Pretty much his job. Check mark.

At the end of the day the RFA's basically won largely due to all of them holding out.

They are getting either long term mega deals or short term deals taking them conveniently to UFA status but also getting decent money and lifetime security.

That's the new reality, like it or not.

Treliving's contract to Tkachuk is within similar parameters of what other similar RFA's are getting. This is not one of the Wizards excellent deals, but it is, more or less, comparable to what every similar RFA is getting.

Every contract cannot be a huge win. But this is not a bad one either.

[direwolf]

I'm just happy this didn't carry over into the season and become a distraction. And it's good that he can still get at least two warm-up games in before the season starts. Good job, Brad!

[Toonage]

^ 1 game (IMO). I can't see him playing in San Jose

[Vinny01]

3 years from now the Flames could be dangling the captaincy and if Johnny moves on he could be the franchise LW so perhaps that is the opportunity to sign an 8 year mega-deal which pays Tkachuk from 24-32.

If Tkachuk is not interested in a long term deal his RFA rights will be worth a ton so the Flames are in position to enter a rebuild.

[bigrangy]

I think the contract is a little steep, since Tkachuk’s production (along with all the other RFAs) was inflated this year due to increased scoring. 77 points this year is a whole lot less valuable than when Gaudreau put up similar in his contract year.

That being said, the onus is now on Tkachuk to prove he is worth this contract and that he will be worth 9 mil in 3 years when its up.

I know the % of cap hit is less than Gio/Gaudreau, but to get 7 million for just RFA years makes me expect that Tkachuk will be the best player on the team in order to justify this contract. We’ll see whether that happens or not.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Oh #### off.

The Flames didn't have the cap space to offer him a long term deal. We knew that. Everyone knew that.

No need to be so rude this morning.

I get the reasons. I like the player a lot so can be a bit disappointed.

But glad this is done.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Oh #### off.

The Flames didn't have the cap space to offer him a long term deal. We knew that. Everyone knew that.

BT could have traded Frolik or Brodie, to have that ability to offer a 6yr+ deal, but then he'd be looking for players like Frolik or Brodie at the trade deadline, and would have to overpay with picks and/or prospects.

We can watch Brodie, Frolik, and Hamonic walk in the summer for nothing and the team had failed to draft in the 2nd round for 3 years and only drafted in the first round twice.

I would love to move Brodie for a similar package as Faulk which could have given the Flames more money to go 6 years with Tkachuk.

This has been Treliving’s worst summer as GM of the Flames in my opinion.