The Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[868904]

I think Flames fans do think that the Aho contract is the upper limit, but I bet the Tkachuk camp thinks he's a better player and therefore is worth more.

They will likely point to the intangibles that Tkachuk brings and cite that as a reason for a higher contract.

I actually think there won't be a deal unless the Flames give him what Aho got.

[kukkudo]

Tkachuk camp aint caving and Treliving aint caving. Don't expect this to be sorted out anytime soon.

[SuperMatt18]

Dubas really screwed up the market with that 5 year contract for Matthews

[Toonage]

wrong thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Francis reporting Mangiapane asking $850k/1yr, dropping his original ask.

How is this not done?

Edit: Original post moved.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It sounds like the Tkachuk camp has been pushing for a 5 year term and I assume the Flames are in the 6-8 range. If they are talking new terms I feel like a 2 year deal makes a lot of sense.

I am actually coming around to this number as well. Here is the schedule for Flames contract expirations for the next five years:

2020: $20.65 m
Michael Frolik (UFA)
Mark Jankowski (RFA + arb.)
Austin Czarnik (UFA)
TJ Brodie (UFA)
Travis Hamonic (UFA)
Rasmus Andersson (RFA)
Oliver Kylington (RFA)
Michael Stone (UFA)
Cam Talbot (UFA)

2021: $10.4 m
Derek Ryan (UFA)
Sam Bennett (RFA + arb.)
Dillon Dube (RFA)
David Rittich (UFA)
Michael Stone (Buyout)

2022: $15 m
Johnny Gaudreau (UFA)
Mark Giordano (UFA)
Troy Brouwer (Buyout)

2023: $11.95 m
Sean Monahan (UFA)
Milan Lucic (UFA)

2024: $15.15 m
Mikael Backlund (UFA)
Elias Lindholm (UFA)
Noah Hanifin (UFA)

I think the Flames are better off renegotiating with Tkachuk in contract years with Bennett, Dube and Rittich than they are with Gaudreau and Giordano. Based on this, I am also possibly more comfortable with a one-year deal, although next year is the big transition year for the Flames defense group.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think Flames fans do think that the Aho contract is the upper limit, but I bet the Tkachuk camp thinks he's a better player and therefore is worth more.

They will likely point to the intangibles that Tkachuk brings and cite that as a reason for a higher contract.

I actually think there won't be a deal unless the Flames give him what Aho got.

I’m pretty sure you’re on to something here.

[Strange Brew]

So what is FMV on a one year deal?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It sounds like the Tkachuk camp has been pushing for a 5 year term and I assume the Flames are in the 6-8 range. If they are talking new terms I feel like a 2 year deal makes a lot of sense.

Pinder on the FAN has been beating this drum for weeks with just about everyone he interviews on the matter basically shutting it down immediately. I just don't see the rationale for Tkachuk to accept a 2 year deal, with no security whatsoever, after already bargaining this long. If it were that simple it would have been done weeks ago. Why would he give up potentially his most high leverage situation to sign a 2 year bridge?

His value may never be higher than it is now and he certainly wouldn't want to risk that on what would be essentially another show me deal. Everyone knows what he is and the Flames would be dumb to gamble on that when salaries only continue to go up.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think Flames fans do think that the Aho contract is the upper limit, but I bet the Tkachuk camp thinks he's a better player and therefore is worth more.

They will likely point to the intangibles that Tkachuk brings and cite that as a reason for a higher contract.

I actually think there won't be a deal unless the Flames give him what Aho got.

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I’m pretty sure you’re on to something here.

There is two sides to this negotiation, though.

Aho is the best player on his team, he is a centre, and he led his team to the the ECF last year. I think the team can point to Aho's value as demonstrably higher than Tkachuk's, and see them insisting that he come under the number at which Aho signed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think Flames fans do think that the Aho contract is the upper limit, but I bet the Tkachuk camp thinks he's a better player and therefore is worth more.

They will likely point to the intangibles that Tkachuk brings and cite that as a reason for a higher contract.

I actually think there won't be a deal unless the Flames give him what Aho got.

And Treliving will say "intangibles count most for the POs - where were they then?"

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And Treliving will say "intangibles count most for the POs - where were they then?"

.. And treliving would be right, in my opinion.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Pinder on the FAN has been beating this drum for weeks with just about everyone he interviews on the matter basically shutting it down immediately. I just don't see the rationale for Tkachuk to accept a 2 year deal, with no security whatsoever, after already bargaining this long. If it were that simple it would have been done weeks ago. Why would he give up potentially his most high leverage situation to sign a 2 year bridge?

His value may never be higher than it is now and he certainly wouldn't want to risk that on what would be essentially another show me deal. Everyone knows what he is and the Flames would be dumb to gamble on that when salaries only continue to go up.

I disagree with a few points you make. Firstly he has little to no leverage in this scenario. Literally the least leverage he will ever have in a negotiation where he will have arb rights on the next negotiation

I also balk at the claim his value will never be higher. 2 more years of progression and a rising cap could put himself easily in a $10M+ range for the next contract.

Salaries go up so in 2 years he should be in a spot for a significant raise again in 2 years. Personally I think the Flames were hoping to avoid the bridge deal and were hoping to sign a long term deal in the 6-8 year range which would lock him up until he is 27-29 virtually getting all of his prime years.

Tkachuk getting 3 years with an extremely high QO could walk him to free agency in 4 years. A 4 year deal does the same thing. The way I see it the Flames are looking for a 6-8 year deal and the Tkachuk camp looking for 3-5 years. 2 years would be a term that is unlikely discussed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Pinder on the FAN has been beating this drum for weeks with just about everyone he interviews on the matter basically shutting it down immediately. I just don't see the rationale for Tkachuk to accept a 2 year deal, with no security whatsoever, after already bargaining this long. If it were that simple it would have been done weeks ago. Why would he give up potentially his most high leverage situation to sign a 2 year bridge?

His value may never be higher than it is now and he certainly wouldn't want to risk that on what would be essentially another show me deal. Everyone knows what he is and the Flames would be dumb to gamble on that when salaries only continue to go up.

If he may never be worth more, then the Flames should avoid a long term deal at this point like the plague.

[TheIronMaiden]

News, but not really news.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1172530523111141377

[agulati]

I wouldn't have thought the Point contract would have been further away from being sorted out than the Marner situation.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by agulati

I wouldn't have thought the Point contract would have been further away from being sorted out than the Marner situation.

It's because the Lightning are competently run, while the Leafs just throw money at every issue - so, of course, Marner will be sorted out first because the Leafs will basically cave.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by agulati

I wouldn't have thought the Point contract would have been further away from being sorted out than the Marner situation.

At least with Marner, he can point to what Tavares and Matthews got and say "I'm not two or three million dollars worse than them."


How does Brayden Point ask for more money than Nikita Kucherov and Steven Stamkos? Kucherov is the reigning MVP and he just extended for $9.5 as a pending UFA. Stamkos has multiple trips to the conference finals. He's been to the finals. He's won the Rocket Richard. He's scored 60 goals. He's scored 50 multiple times.

That guy got $8.5 24 hours before he hit the open market.

Brayden Point has had a good start to his career. That's all. There's no reason for the teams to cave to these guys - the rest of the league has recognized that McDavid and Matthews took advantage of bad negotiators. If the players want to hold out, that's their business. But they aren't being offered anything unfair, so they won't be able to hold out for long.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Everyone’s waiting for Marner. He’ll set the market. Hurry the f up!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

At least with Marner, he can point to what Tavares and Matthews got and say "I'm not two or three million dollars worse than them."

How does Brayden Point ask for more money than Nikita Kucherov and Steven Stamkos? Kucherov is the reigning MVP and he just extended for $9.5 as a pending UFA...

No, he didn't. Kucherov signed his extension on 10 July, 2018, on the heels of an impressive 39G 100Pts season. Brayden Point eclipsed his goal total by a fair margin with 41, and came close to the 100-point mark as a 23-year-old—two years younger than Kucherov was when he signed his current contract. Factor inflation into the equation, and it becomes unsurprising that Brayden Point is pushing to be the highest paid player in Tampa.