A Game of Thrones **BOOKS OFF LIMITS** v2

[djsFlames]

Good point that was raised. Even if Dany is assassinated by the efforts of any of Jon/Tyrion/Arya/Bran, what becomes of her armies? Grey worm looked to be possessed with bloodlust, and the dothraki came to "kill the men in iron suits and tear down their stone houses". That's going to pose a problem. The people of the seven kingdoms will need to band together and with the ravens Varys sent out, it looks like they might, in support of Jon.

[Iggy_12]

Originally Posted by getbak

This isn't in the actual episode.

It's likely either a promo shot taken during rehearsal or they digitally replaced his hand for the show but not this photo. He also looks a lot cleaner in the photo than in the actual shot in the show, so I'm going to guess it's from rehearsal.

Ohhh ignore me then haha, just found it funny, i loved the episode no issues at all i haven't had really any negative criticism of this show in general i have enjoyed every one and its the highlite of my weekend.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Yeah I'm not understanding all the confusion about Danaerys. She has always had a streak of brutality, and has definitely been power hungry. Couple that with her seeing most of the trustworthy relationships around her perish and her main objective of taking the throne to be at its greatest point of risk, the result isn't that surprising. Her character has always been a balancing act of people's hope and tyrant. I think the whole point is that those two roles can ultimately end up being one in the same due to an unrelenting thirst for power. We've seen smaller examples of this throughout the entire series.

Yup, there is nothing more game of thrones, than the way this played out in complete and utter destruction. There's no winners or losers in the game of thrones. The series in itself was meant to be a slow burn and it is no surprise, after 8 seasons, that all hell finally broke loose.

At some point there needs to be a culmination of events and that was that Dany was slowly building to this complete meltdown that has always been just under the surface and followed her and her family for years. She's now completely alone, these people in Kings landing wiped her family off the face of the earth and she's supposed to play nice? After seeing so many tyrants say one thing and do another? After giving people chance after chance to redeem themselves? I wouldn't buy it if this turned out any differently than it did.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And liked I showed, it's just an image flip, his other hand is the gold one.

No, he's wearing a glove on his left hand, so the photo isn't flipped (also the layout of the room in the photo is correct with the door on the left and window with fire on the right).

The way the shot is framed in the show is very tight on their faces, so they may have known that his right hand wouldn't be in the shot and told him he didn't need to wear the fake hand for the shot.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Seeing as Bran was warged into the horse that was there for Arya at the end, why didn't he just warg into Daenerys and have her commit suicide? Maybe Bran is using his knowledge of literally everything to manipulate his way into the Iron Throne. After all telling Jon the truth is what started this chain of events.

Is this verified somewhere, maybe I missed it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

It's funny that I'm actually given the writers credit after trashing them so much, but what else could it have been? A single horse miraculously survives all of that, and just happens to be right by Arya? I'll be surprised if Bran didn't warg into the horse.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Is this verified somewhere, maybe I missed it.

No. Not verified.
And unlikely, imo

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Rando

Re: Hand photo

This is what I call nitpicking that's dragged down the discussion and fanbase of the show. It's infuriating that some point to continuity errors as a reason to hate on Game of Thrones, it's crazy.

Jon Snow had a rubber sword during the Battle of the Bastards at one point. In season one an extra/crew member was seen in jeans and winterjacket. Endless other examples. These things happen.

There's a faction of fans that split off into deciding they were going to crap on the rest of the season no matter what after episode 3 didn't go the way they wanted.

I think this is a minority that are being very vocal (as upset people tend to be) and going out of their way to downvote episodes even before they air.

I don't think those people would be happy any which way the last episode went down and probably have no intention of seeing the other side of it since they've built up so much moment on the "this sucks" train.

If you actively watch for discontinuities between camera cuts on almost any show or movie, you would find a lot. It is quite common.

[Bigtime]

Huh, I just assumed that horse was from a Dothraki Screamer that got picked off. Being white and all I'm sure it's meant to be chock full of symbolism for something.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

No. Not verified.
And unlikely, imo

What was the point of making the horse appearing so mystical? Not sure I understand this one.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What was the point of making the horse appearing so mystical?

Did it?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Of course it fits with the character. She went mad. Madness completely fits considering who she is. Maybe madness overcomes Jon Snow next week, too. They come by it honestly. Also, this didn't just happen quickly like you mentioned earlier. We've seen many glimpses of this coming over the last few episodes. Dany's been fighting this battle for some time.

She has been fighting a battle over whether or not human lives should be concerned in the conquering of Westeros. Her burning innocent people to win would fully fit her character. Her burning innocent people she didn’t have to is the step to far.

It’s the brutality without purpose that is the issue rather than brutality to accomplish a goal. Where previously has she shown a predilection for violence without purpose.

[Yamer]

I'm glad I had an evening to process this a bit as I was equal bits upset and enthralled at last night's episode. Reading some of the rational discussion here tempers my worst impulses and quells the thought that we end up seeing Tyrion as a lumberjack in Pentos.

In retrospect, I think it is the abrupt switch in pacing that has thrown me off in totally enjoying this show. After what was a long, slow burn we have Dany burning everything to the ground in 45 minutes. This has been a pattern of the show over the past 2 seasons, and it's jarring.

They were never going to please everyone, and with such a massive show it was going to be difficult to wrap it all up, especially with such a seeming rush put on the whole thing. It's not bad, it's not great, and it's not always what I expected (which is refreshing).

Favorite parts were the realizations of both Arya and Sandor. Arya realizing what she has become and where that path will lead her, all while the world tumbles down around her. Sandor wanting revenge and to kill his brother, all while realizing his brother is dead and has faced a much worse fate that anything the Hound could deliver.

Cersei's fate was underwhelming, yet at the same time was perfect in a roundabout way. That is the weakest we have ever seen her, panicked and begging, consoled by the only person she ever loved...the person she betrayed. Jaime still came back for her, always trying to save her, doing unspeakably brutish things for her. In the end as much as he tried to change and redeem himself, he could never overcome his ultimate weakness: Cersei. And it was his undoing. Fitting storytelling for this world.

Euron's ego killed him. Good.

The expressions on Jon and Tyrion's faces spoke volumes. I am very intrigued to see how this all plays out next week. Sad to see Varys exit, but he was right, and always had been about almost everything.

I knew Dany was heading to a heel turn, I just didn't quite expect this. It threw me for a bit of a loop, even if most of it had been telegraphed over 7 seasons. I'm still going to have to take some time to get on board with this path of storytelling, especially when so many (fictional) innocents were killed like they were. That really stung me, for some reason...maybe that was the point.

[Coys1882]

Not every character gets to have that just death or heroic ending that really scratches that itch.

Sometimes you get Hitler shooting himself in a bunker - disappointing.

[Coys1882]

I really enjoyed Jamie and Cersei's end.

Like mentioned above - she was terrified and broken. Embraced by the one person who would never leave her. They came into the world (he was holding her foot at birth?) and went out the same way.

[Looch City]

Arya seems to keep bouncing back and forth between super OP assassin and scared little innocent girl. What's the point of her plot or character progression?

It ticked me off...maybe that's just me?

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Arya seems to keep bouncing back and forth between super OP assassin and scared little innocent girl. What's the point of her plot or character progression?

It ticked me off...maybe that's just me?

I think this was one of the only really believable parts for me, sure she's a perfect assassin, but she's just as susceptible to the chaos on the ground when things go awry in an unfamiliar setting. Her just agreeing to forego her revenge was kind of laughable though, like she gives a #### about anything else really? That's basically been her only motivation and since we were deprived of the Jon reveal we can't even say whether or not that changed her outlook.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Arya seems to keep bouncing back and forth between super OP assassin and scared little innocent girl. What's the point of her plot or character progression?

It ticked me off...maybe that's just me?

If anything it just reinforced that you can be trained to the nines in subterfuge, but in the battlefield (or amidst a panicking city) you are as beholden to the whims of fate/falling rock/dragonfire as anyone else.

Like, she has shown stealth and swordplay, but I think it would be both out of character and a bit too Michael Bay for her to suddenly scale the side of buildings like Ezio in Assassin's Creed, and begin sprinting across rooftops while the dragon explodes buildings behind her.

[Rando]

You can be scared when a dragon is continually swooping down firebombing a city, the world crashing around you while still being a super OP assassin.

The Hound was a super OP fighter while turning into a scared little innocent boy during the Battle of Blackwater Bay. Did that tick you off?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Rando

Re: Hand photo

This is what I call nitpicking that's dragged down the discussion and fanbase of the show. It's infuriating that some point to continuity errors as a reason to hate on Game of Thrones, it's crazy.

Well it made me laugh. I think the production crew has been pushed to the limit hence the mistakes for example coffee cup. I've thoroughly enjoyed this season despite the flaws.