A Game of Thrones **BOOKS OFF LIMITS** v2

[SuperMatt18]

After thinking about it a little more one thing they probably could have done is left a little more grey to Dany's heel turn, instead of her going full mad queen.

Have her and the dragon torch the troops post bell's ringing, and then go after Cersei in the red keep (instead of burning every square inch of the city). But due to the blasts of fire on the troops and on the red keep have the wildfire stashed below the city are set off, causing the entire city and innocents to burn.

Would have still been caused by Dany, but would have left more "grey area" on her being mad for the final episode to look into.

[Flashpoint]

As a run of the mill fan it just feels like Season 8 ran out of books, so we’re back to standard fantasy TV pablum. The worst of it is that the show stopped caring about its own conventions.

Big explosions, and nonsense decision making. Scorpions are badass till they aren’t. Danerys goes mass murder because Jon doesn’t kiss her back. The Dothraki are back? The Second Sons (or was it the Golden Company? I guess it doesn’t matter) are instantly obliterated because... they’re inconvenient? Arya turns away from her life long quest of killing Cersei because the Hound talks her out of it for 30 seconds?

How can I view any of this as exciting or threatening when literally nothing in the past matters?

Perhaps 60 min episodes would have focused the story somewhat. It doesn’t feel like 90 min are needed with how slow and meaningless much of the interaction is. Maybe that was the excuse - “We’ll wipe out the Lannisters without them firing a shot, and Cersei will just stand there helpless, but we’ll take and hour and half to do it, so it seems harder.”

I can’t imagine this is how poorly the books finish up. I’ll be thankful for that in the interim.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

“When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who wronged me! We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!” - Season 2

Seems pretty in-character to me.

the weight of one line of petulant bluster versus the weight of her actual actions throughout her rise to power. guess you can make it work however you want depending on what you choose to focus on.

[Coys1882]

Lol - I love internet rating systems:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6027916...?ref_=tt_ov_rt

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

the weight of one line of petulant bluster versus the weight of her actual actions throughout her rise to power. guess you can make it work however you want depending on what you choose to focus on.

Except, as noted earlier, her acting impulsively and brutally is also not out of character, though personally I still subscribe to "she cracked", as they've been foreshadowing for at least 3 seasons.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by RyZ

I would think so, yes. Even if somehow, she and/or Jamie were to survive the collapse of a castle on top of them, it would likely take months to dig them out of the debris. They are done.

Arya kept crawling out of the rubble.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by troutman

Arya kept crawling out of the rubble.

I think the "Arya gets 4 concussions" thing was more for dramatic and cinematic effect really, if for no other reason than to show in harsh contrasting stages the demise of King's Landing.

1. Battle
2. Fire
3. Panic
4. Ash & Calm

Breaking it up via her consciousness is a reasonable storytelling method to advance time without having a "suddenly, the fires were out" 80s movie cut.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

the weight of one line of petulant bluster versus the weight of her actual actions throughout her rise to power. guess you can make it work however you want depending on what you choose to focus on.

You may need to review her actual actions again.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by troutman

Arya kept crawling out of the rubble.

That scene gave me some serious 9/11 vibes with folks trapped on the ground level or below having the towers come down on top of them.

Something incredibly lonely and sad about them both dying down there.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

As a run of the mill fan it just feels like Season 8 ran out of books, so we’re back to standard fantasy TV pablum. The worst of it is that the show stopped caring about its own conventions.

Big explosions, and nonsense decision making. Scorpions are badass till they aren’t. Danerys goes mass murder because Jon doesn’t kiss her back. The Dothraki are back? The Second Sons (or was it the Golden Company? I guess it doesn’t matter) are instantly obliterated because... they’re inconvenient? Arya turns away from her life long quest of killing Cersei because the Hound talks her out of it for 30 seconds?

How can I view any of this as exciting or threatening when literally nothing in the past matters?

Perhaps 60 min episodes would have focused the story somewhat. It doesn’t feel like 90 min are needed with how slow and meaningless much of the interaction is. Maybe that was the excuse - “We’ll wipe out the Lannisters without them firing a shot, and Cersei will just stand there helpless, but we’ll take and hour and half to do it, so it seems harder.”

I can’t imagine this is how poorly the books finish up. I’ll be thankful for that in the interim.

If you think this is the only reason she goes mad, you haven't been paying very much attention. She showed up in Westeros with 3 dragons and 2 massive armies. She was then convinced to not do what she wanted, take the Iron throne. This led to the loss of half her armies and 2 of her dragons. Varys betrayed her, Ser Jorah, the one person who truly loved her died, She can't trust her hand at all, and the man she thought loved her betrayed her the second after she begged him not to. She has lost everything, and was hearing the bells, realizing that it was probably another failure form Tyrion. She sees what is going on and decides the only solution is full destruction. She even said something similar earlier about starting from scratch. Her arc is one of the most complete on the show. Jon not kissing her probably wasn't even the proverbial straw.

[Iggy_12]

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

As a run of the mill fan it just feels like Season 8 ran out of books, so we’re back to standard fantasy TV pablum.

They ran out of books a long time ago, and started deviating from the books even before that.

The last parts of the story that are in the books are Jon being stabbed by the Night's Watch and Cersei's walk of shame. Those are both at the end of Season 5 on the show.

They started to really deviate from the story in the books after Tyrion kills Tywin and escapes from King's Landing.

Arguably, the last two books are such a meandering mess that the show was a significant improvement over Martin's writing.

[YourMother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If you think this is the only reason she goes mad, you haven't been paying very much attention. She showed up in Westeros with 3 dragons and 2 massive armies. She was then convinced to not do what she wanted, take the Iron throne. This led to the loss of half her armies and 2 of her dragons. Varys betrayed her, Ser Jorah, the one person who truly loved her died, She can't trust her hand at all, and the man she thought loved her betrayed her the second after she begged him not to. She has lost everything, and was hearing the bells, realizing that it was probably another failure form Tyrion. She sees what is going on and decides the only solution is full destruction. She even said something similar earlier about starting from scratch. Her arc is one of the most complete on the show. Jon not kissing her probably wasn't even the proverbial straw.

I agree with this 100%, and I'm shocked that so many people don't really get Dany's turn. I'd like to add that she spent the whole series freeing slaves and doing what she thought was right, hoping to become a Queen that was loved by the people. It's clear over the last few episodes that she is struggling with the idea that the people of Westeros will never love her like they love Jon and others. This leads her to the final phase of her turn in which she has to become the Queen she was trying to avoid being, and control the people with fear instead. They laid it out pretty clearly. She definitely succeeded with the new fear strategy as well.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No. The wildfire is green and you could see it in some shots.

But it was quite clear her dragon fire was making the stone inexplicably explode and it had nothing to do with wildfire.

Anyways, that’s the least awful thing about that turd of an episode. Worst of the series and really a series defining moment of awfulness. This show truly is beyond redemption.

Now we get to see the real D&D. You know, the guys who wrote Xmen Origins Wolverine. This episode made that movie look good. Correction only 1 of the Ds wrote that movie.

Lol - So you're actually torching a show that centres around undead zombies, witchcraft, ghosts, wargs and dragons for bending reality and having stones inexplicably explode from dragon fire? This is where you draw the line?

You've clearly missed the mark when choosing to watch fantasy shows.

[Fuzz]

Fixed for HBO....

[Igottago]

Yeah I'm not understanding all the confusion about Danaerys. She has always had a streak of brutality, and has definitely been power hungry. Couple that with her seeing most of the trustworthy relationships around her perish and her main objective of taking the throne to be at its greatest point of risk, the result isn't that surprising. Her character has always been a balancing act of people's hope and tyrant. I think the whole point is that those two roles can ultimately end up being one in the same due to an unrelenting thirst for power. We've seen smaller examples of this throughout the entire series.

[puffnstuff]

The scene at the fireplace, with Dany and Grey Worm, burning Missandies only possession, pretty much told you what was going to happen.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Iggy_12

Spoiler!

This isn't in the actual episode.

It's likely either a promo shot taken during rehearsal or they digitally replaced his hand for the show but not this photo. He also looks a lot cleaner in the photo than in the actual shot in the show, so I'm going to guess it's from rehearsal.

[Fuzz]

And liked I showed, it's just an image flip, his other hand is the gold one.

[Rando]

Re: Hand photo

This is what I call nitpicking that's dragged down the discussion and fanbase of the show. It's infuriating that some point to continuity errors as a reason to hate on Game of Thrones, it's crazy.

Jon Snow had a rubber sword during the Battle of the Bastards at one point. In season one an extra/crew member was seen in jeans and winterjacket. Endless other examples. These things happen.