Since the lord of light kept Berric alive to save Arya so that she could kill the NK, and that seems to have all played out with both Berric and the red woman now having their circles closed, why did the NK bring back Jon? He wasn't the one needed to kill the NK. Is there still some part to play for him, or was his role just to rally the armies against the NK and his part is fulfilled in that?
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Here's a long, but good, video showing the process of making the episode...
Some people have noted that Sansa had a dragonglass dagger but didn't do anything with it and just hid behind a crypt while the dead were overrunning the place. Based on this video, it appears they actually did shoot scenes of Sansa and Tyrion killing the reanimated corpses, but it didn't make it into the final episode (around 19 minutes into the video).
I also find it funny that the behind-the-scenes footage shot on set is actually well-lit and you can see everything. Then, they cut to the actual scenes from the show and everything is super-dark.
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I also find it funny that the behind-the-scenes footage shot on set is actually well-lit and you can see everything. Then, they cut to the actual scenes from the show and everything is super-dark.
Which means they went too far in editing specifically in the colour grading. Easy to fix but I have a feeling they will stick with the "creative decision".
An excellent article on what has changed in the series, and why it rings so hollow now to some of us.
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There was no consequence for the Lannisters melting down Ned's sword, both off shoots are currently in Winterfell and not a mention. No one talks about Kat's warping around The Seven Kingdom's in season 1 either. But that happened early when we were less pedantic, less nerdy and more open to storytelling. Not only pleased when what we expect to happen happened. Heaven forbid it goes outside that.
All this talk about everything coming up good guys is hilarious now. It wasn't that long ago the internet was ablaze at how harsh the world was to our heros and enough was enough already.
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Agreed. Not sure how I feel about the ending yet. Didn’t like how Arya was the one to do it. If anything, she should have died in the process.
2 characters are untouchable in the GOT pantheon: Tyrion and Arya.
I thought it was poetic. Her first attempt was an obvious failure, but the adjustment and adaptation to circumstances was all training from the many-faced-god.
Also, you don't train for a season and a half to become an elite assassin only to fail in the key moment. I thought it was perfect.
It took me 4 glasses of bourbon to get through that episode. I've never seen anything like it. And I mean that literally. I could barely see most of the action.
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Watching the preview for next week, I noticed there's a very quick shot of the survivors gathered in front of Winterfell with some of the major characters carrying torches towards what appear to be large funeral pyres.
I took a screen grab and labelled the people I could recognize. I know some people avoid the promos at all costs, so I've put it in tags. It doesn't really spoil anything if you've already watched this week's episode.
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Notably absent are Brienne, Jaime, and Pod. Also, I don't see Gilly and Little Sam (but she does appear later in the promo).
This confirms a few survivors that people were wondering about.
No Podrick. This makes me a little sad. He didn't even get a hero's death.
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That video kinda summed up my whole problem with the last few seasons. The show has gone from great writing with a real world unpredictability to it, to straight fan service. I get why people clapped and cheered, but it's not the same show that hooked me so hard in the first 4 seasons
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I started re-watching from ep 1 a couple weeks ago, and the difference in tone, pacing, and writing is shocking.
At some point I think they needed to veer off that path though - they couldn’t just keep killing off the main characters while driving the show to a conclusion. At some point a couple of main characters need to stand out and become viable options for the iron throne.
Plus I think the pace needed to pick up as they got into season 5 to start working to a conclusion. IIRC there were a lot of complaints around that time too that the show was moving too slow. They had to trade off some of the deep storytelling and lore to move towards a conclusion in the time they had.
And while it’s getting more predictable as you move to the end if you look at the series as a whole it’s still unpredictable start to finish as people wouldn’t have expected Jon, Bran, Sansa, and Arya playing the roles they do now in season 1 (and I do feel like the tv show always leaned heavier into he Starks than any other characters.)
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There was no consequence for the Lannisters melting down Ned's sword, both off shoots are currently in Winterfell and not a mention. No one talks about Kat's warping around The Seven Kingdom's in season 1 either. But that happened early when we were less pedantic, less nerdy and more open to storytelling. Not only pleased when what we expect to happen happened. Heaven forbid it goes outside that.
All this talk about everything coming up good guys is hilarious now. It wasn't that long ago the internet was ablaze at how harsh the world was to our heros and enough was enough already.
I’d say you don’t really get it: the melted down sword was more of a consequence of Ned’s choices than something requiring consequences for a Lannister. Not every choice and event has had a consequence, but the fun in the early seasons was that unlike most cliched stories, poor choices in Westeros were rewarded with death or very, very unhappy outcomes. You know, like life.
If you can’t see the difference in tone between the series from season 6 on, I’m not sure what to say. We just had the heroes face-off against the evil force that opened the series, and we received no payoff with respect to the motivation, intention, or abilities of said evil force.
I also find your claim strange that we wanted “what we expected” to happen: far from it. I would’ve been happier if the heroes planned so well that they routed the undead and so lived on that way: that would’ve been subversive, interesting, and far better than every major player surviving a pile of wights ten times over. Same outcome, interesting plot.
Just watching the scene with Arya's big kill and I love it.
The Night King looking at Bran and seeming puzzled as to why Bran isn't fearful (at least that's how I interpret it) and then the shot of the White Walker where his hair moves from a quick blast of air I assume is Arya making her move, and then suddenly Arya flies through the air only to be caught...then the knife drop and stab. Well done IMO
An excellent article on what has changed in the series, and why it rings so hollow now to some of us.
Heartsbane and the Tarley story was left out likely due to having to move forward on the important storylines and drop others. They were killed off to move forward, like a lot of others.
Unless they're gonna make 5 more seasons, there was no time to get into Sam's family struggles further and bickering over a sword.
Does anyone really care to dive that deep into every little family tree?
That link seems to beg that nothing goes untouched, but that's not realistic in TV planning. We'd have way too many minor storylines that no one really cares about and go on for seasons upon seasons upon seasons.
Then the same bloggers would be whining about spending too much time on minor plotlines.
Whatever angle gets them clicks.
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What else needs to be said about the night king and army of the dead?
We got a clip of his origin. We were told his target and why he wanted to wipe out bran. Maybe he chose now to march south because they stopped the human sacrifices? The swirling symbol could be clarified but more than likely is a signature of sorts, as it is depicting the location where he was created.
Time for human conflict again and for players like varys and tyrion that aren't about fighting to finally be put to use once more.
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Heartsbane and the Tarley story was left out likely due to having to move forward on the important storylines and drop others. They were killed off to move forward, like a lot of others.
That link seems to beg that nothing goes untouched, but that's not realistic in TV planning. We'd have way too many minor storylines that no one really cares about and go on for seasons upon seasons upon seasons.
Then the same bloggers would be whining about spending too much time on minor plotlines.
Whatever angle gets them clicks.
Nah - not what I’m complaining about at all. Nor is that what the link suggested at all. The writers had an interesting opportunity to add some depth to Samwell that they would’ve taken in earlier seasons - because these small storylines create characters instead of tropes.
Nobody is hoping that they delve into it deeply, just pointing out that Samwell could’ve been developed better by just paying attention to the details.
I liked that Arya ended the NK. But the series has gone way, way downhill on the writing front.
Did someone for real post an article calling for TV to emulate the max loudness garbagefire mastering of modern music? Let's all race to the bottom to satisfy the lowest common denominator.
Calibrate your ####, get a TV with a good black level, turn off the lights, and download h264 mkvs, dear god.
