[GDT] WCQF-G4: (P1) Calgary –1 @ (W2) Colorado -2 ~ 8:00pm (CBC, SN, NBCSN, TVAS)

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

@WesGilbertson
#Flames coach Bill Peters after Game 4 morning skate, 1 of 2: “That’s the most energy we’ve had in a month. That’s a very good sign for us. It looks like were back. It looks like we have a bit of jump in our steps and we’re going to have some fun here tonight ... ”

@WesGilbertson
Peters, continued: “It’s going to be 60 minutes of hard work, if not longer, and I think we’re prepared to do that.”

Good to hear.

The first goal is going to be absolutely crucial. We partially deflated after the 2nd goal and completely deflated after the 3rd, and never had so much as a breath after that. We need something to go our way early.

[Moneyhands23]

Glad valamaki is in.

Wish they would have found a spot for Dube or Czarnick (sp)

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't see it with Czarnik.

He had decent possession numbers, but is near the bottom of the team in individual rates like shots60, HD chances60 and even CF60.

He's a perimeter player.

He's a playmaker.

And a top shelf forechecker.

You need playmakers on the perimeter while the Bennetts and Neals crash the net.

Our team plays differently when he's on the ice because he wins those races.

He also moves the puck quickly to the open man instead of cycling until he coughs it up (Janko).

Czarnik - Bennett - Neal.

Just Once, Peters. Just Once.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

You mean like the Oilers determined was the case with Eberle?

Don't get me wrong. Our top guys have played worse and worse as the series has gone on and they absolutely have to turn it around. But I think Peters has to figure this out too. This is his first time to the playoffs and the team is not performing. Trotz' team had Crosby playing like Monahan and Gaudreau, and Eberle playing like a consistent clutch performer.

Hopefully they turn it around tonight. But you still can't over-react. The same players respond differently in different circumstances. Hard to put a finger on what it takes.

I never said give up on the team. I said right now mid series this is how they look, and yes I'm skeptical that they'll figure it out.

The Oilers gave Eberle one playoff and determined him to be useless.

This is the third go round for Monahan Gaudreau, and Backlund who played decently against Vancouver in 15, but since that series win...the Flames are 2-10 in the playoffs with 3 different coaches.

So yeah, I'm calling the team out, and I'll be ecstatic to be wrong and see the Flames win this in 6.

It's a delicate balance when you give up on top players, because they might be one year away from figuring it out. This is MacKinnons third crack at it, and he was good the first two times, but this year he's at a whole new level and the rest of the team is feeding off him. The Flames don't have a MacKinnon, but they do need their top 4 guys to play a whole lot better.

The 04 team was down 2-1 to Vancouver, and came back to win the series, so it's not impossible. The Flames should be the more desperate team tonight, we'll see if they are.

[Manhattanboy]

Tonight marks the start of a Flames three game winning streak.

Very possible for the best team in the western conference.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He's a playmaker.

And a top shelf forechecker.

You need playmakers on the perimeter while the Bennetts and Neals crash the net.

Our team plays differently when he's on the ice because he wins those races.

He also moves the puck quickly to the open man instead of cycling until he coughs it up (Janko).

Czarnik - Bennett - Neal.

Just Once, Peters. Just Once.

Even when you go back to on ice data you see Czarnik last place in HDCF60 and overall HDCF%.

If he's a play maker he's not creating much, or at very least he's been part of lines that don't create much.

Having said that Jankowski is doing nothing so I wouldn't be opposed to giving it a try.

[Corral]

Neal is an easy target as the scapegoat for some posters here, but that is classic armchair fans. Sit Neal in the pressbox, and watch the Flames go out without even a whimper. Imagine the message in the room when management decides the guy who has been to the Finals the past two seasons should sit out. Ridiculous.


I would put James Neal in the top six tonight.

[the-rasta-masta]

Woke up with a good feeling today, and while it means nothing really, hopefully the good vibes help out.

We know this team is capable of winning this series. The playoffs are such a game of inches that with a few bounces, the Flames could technically be up 3-0 in the series (if the Avs don't get that pinball tying goal in game 2, if the Backlund shot in the 1st period of game 3 goes in). There are so many what ifs. But at the very least, I feel confident that we will see a great effort tonight.

This year is truly an opportunity, and the Flames are the best team in the league (along with Boston) still left in the hunt. Let's bring some optimism to the table, knowing what we've seent his team accomplish this year!

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Even when you go back to on ice data you see Czarnik last place in HDCF60 and overall HDCF%.

If he's a play maker he's not creating much, or at very least he's been part of lines that don't create much.

Then why is he so high in xGF%?

Maybe they're not racking up the HDCF because they are more opportunistic with Czarnik on the ice and play at a faster tempo than grinding and smacking the puck into the goalie pads from the side with a bunch of weak rebounds...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by keeper34

I would put Ferland on the wing over Lindholm at this moment.
Dougie Ham also have better playoffs over Hanifin.

I think you are on the wrong board, here you go. https://hfboards.mandatory.com/forum...hurricanes.26/

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by keeper34

Ferland's trade looking pretty bad for the Flames now. Series will be over in 5 if they don't response.

Hilariously bad take

[chedder]

Originally Posted by keeper34

Ferland's trade looking pretty bad for the Flames now. Series will be over in 5 if they don't response.

Yup. Zero points, -1, kicked out of a game (bad call) and now injured.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by Corral

Neal is an easy target as the scapegoat for some posters here, but that is classic armchair fans. Sit Neal in the pressbox, and watch the Flames go out without even a whimper. Imagine the message in the room when management decides the guy who has been to the Finals the past two seasons should sit out. Ridiculous.


I would put James Neal in the top six tonight.

There's always that one player people pile on. Remember when the Flames sucked because of Matt Stajan.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Czarnik had 3 GWG, 18pts and was 2nd on the team with 55.96% 5v5 xGF over 54 games

Neal had 1 GWG, 19pts and was 21st on the team with 48.46% 5v5 xGF over 63 games

Just my opinion, but while Neal wasn't awful on PP2 (which is where 6 of his 19 points game from), the team played a far more relentless style 5v5 with Czarnik in the lineup (he had fewer PPP with only 3, though I think Neal's role isn't the reason for PP2's success in this series, it's been all Andersson and Bennett).

Czarnik not being in is very frustrating given his speed is probably the best of all the forwards on the roster and a huge part of what's missing for us. He is better than Neal, and not only marginally. Of course, the guy who should really be sitting is Janko.

I agree with the last part. Jankowski isn’t the type of player you win with. He’s so soft, and is pretty much invisible out there... I wouldn’t be upset to see him go in the off-season... ideally he’ll flip a switch and become a huge playoff performer and make me look dumb, but I doubt it.

[GeoRock]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Remember Francis at the end of the season suggesting the Flames, in last place in hits on the season, were missing an element.

I forgot about this. Francis is a complete idiot.

You are absolutely correct, Bingo. The Flames game is one of speed and pure puck moving skill. If they get back to this tonight they should have no problem decimating the Avs.

[868904]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He's a playmaker.

And a top shelf forechecker.

You need playmakers on the perimeter while the Bennetts and Neals crash the net.

Our team plays differently when he's on the ice because he wins those races.

He also moves the puck quickly to the open man instead of cycling until he coughs it up (Janko).

Czarnik - Bennett - Neal.

Just Once, Peters. Just Once.

I'm not a big of fan of Czarnik as you are as I question his competitiveness but I like the idea of taking Janko out for him and putting him on that line. I think Dube would bring much of the same thing too but Dube could also play centre which would keep Bennett on the wing to freelance and destroy Avalanche players.

The only reason Janko is in the lineup is because he is on the PK unit, but the PK got torched last game, so the reasons for keeping him in are dwindling.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Just saw an update from The Score.

Valimaki makes his playoffs debut tonight!

Calgary Sun Reports:

He will skate alongside fellow freshman Rasmus Andersson on the third pair, with Oscar Fantenberg bumped to the press-box.

[868904]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I agree with the last part. Jankowski isn’t the type of player you win with. He’s so soft, and is pretty much invisible out there... I wouldn’t be upset to see him go in the off-season... ideally he’ll flip a switch and become a huge playoff performer and make me look dumb, but I doubt it.

I'm already starting up the trade rumours. I want to trade Janko to the Leafs for Kadri. Helps the Leafs with cap space and they get a big skilled Ontario boy to centre their third line and replace Kadri.

Flames get nastier and better and his cap hit can be absorbed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Neal's not the reason they are losing. He hasn't been a difference maker but he's had a few opportunities and has looked more engaged than some other forwards. Czarnik has had his moments in short stretches but most of the time he's pretty soft and doesn't move the needle for me at least. Not sure he's what the team needs right now.

Czarnik looked good to me for two games this year. That's it. Otherwise I see (a) why he's generated UFA interest and (b) why he only plays a handful of games wherever he goes.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

@WesGilbertson
#Flames coach Bill Peters after Game 4 morning skate, 1 of 2: “That’s the most energy we’ve had in a month. That’s a very good sign for us. It looks like were back. It looks like we have a bit of jump in our steps and we’re going to have some fun here tonight ... ”

@WesGilbertson
Peters, continued: “It’s going to be 60 minutes of hard work, if not longer, and I think we’re prepared to do that.”

Put it to action, words are words

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