Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[chemgear]

Spoiler!

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by chemgear

I will at least expect him to put together a budget to start.

Something Notley couldn't even bother to do as part of her election platform while in government.

A budget isn't a forecast on "jobs, economy, and pipelines". A budget is how you manage your own internal monies.

Does the budget say how many jobs and pipelines will be factored into how we manage our money? Because really that comes on projections, often with an inclusion of assumed prices of oil in this province.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Better or worse than the bow tie / jacket / vans slip ons combo? It's a tough call.

To me, it just is, Its my biggest pet peeve, people that chew gum in meetings or worse while they're talking on the phone. I hear every snap, and chew, and I really want to axe murder them.


I can live with a horrific wardrobe choice with ridiculous hair, that's a persons choice.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Spoiler!

r/forwardsfromgrandma

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

r/forwardsfromgrandma

aka Edmonton reddit?

[burn_this_city]

Shelbyville sleeps with their sisters.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

A budget isn't a forecast on "jobs, economy, and pipelines". A budget is how you manage your own internal monies.

I agree, it was crazy our (current until transition?) previous government couldn't even scrape one together.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by chemgear

aka Edmonton reddit?

[stone hands]

i know you are.................














































.........but what am i



checkmate, lib/conservatard

- the last like 176 pages of this thread

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

What good is allying with Ontario going to do on any fronts without Scheer bridging the gap though? We have emotional support from DoFo, but we still can't do any constitutional challenges. We need 7 provinces on board. You could probably get Saskatchewan and Newfoundland on board, after that it gets dicey.

There is just no scenario where I see any constitutional change being made, unless everyone comes out better on a constitutional change, but when it's a distribution of money, there's never a winner; it's zero sum, this is not a business deal where both sides make money.

I also see a reinvigorated front against Alberta and Ontario's message at the federal level in multiple provinces; all that has to happen is the media keep putting Kenney and Ford in the spotlight as antagonizing factors.

I think by year 2 of the Kenney era we're going to see how futile this effort really is.

No, I don't see a constitutional challenge happening (or working) either. Which I rather stated right off the hop. This is about the provinces ganging up on Trudeau and making his life miserable.

Also, the actual formula for equalization is subject to negotiation between the feds and provinces - usually; Trudeau quietly snuck a five-year renewal into last year's omnibus budget bill - but there's nothing that would prevent further renegotiation if said have provinces make a pointed issue of it. Further, it can become a wedge issue for Scheer in Ontario given he already has little to lose in the have-not provinces that are already not voting for him.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by chemgear

I agree, it was crazy our (current until transition?) previous government couldn't even scrape one together.

Not something you have to worry about now, the focus is on Kenney's budget. Whataboutism's are much less relevant today going forward, the onus is now fully on Kenney to deliver.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, I don't see a constitutional challenge happening (or working) either. Which I rather stated right off the hop. This is about the provinces ganging up on Trudeau and making his life miserable.

Also, the actual formula for equalization is subject to negotiation between the feds and provinces - usually; Trudeau quietly snuck a five-year renewal into last year's omnibus budget bill - but there's nothing that would prevent further renegotiation if said have provinces make a pointed issue of it. Further, it can become a wedge issue for Scheer in Ontario given he already has little to lose in the have-not provinces that are already not voting for him.

Trudeau is really in a pot now, he's got a bunch of hostile provincial governments who aren't buying what he's selling, and normally you'd say no big deal, but Ontario is a significant voter block for the Liberals, and one of the planks in Fords platform was fighting the Carbon Tax.


Trudeau's got two provincial allies in BC and Quebec, so the election might factor into being those two provinces and Trudeau against the rest of Canada.

[Red Slinger]

I voted AP but I sincerely hope Kenney is able to deliver on his promises. I hope he's able to work with other leaders to push through projects that will benefit Alberta and the rest of Canada. I hope he is able to reduce the deficit. I hope he is able to stabilize the economic uncertainty that continues to hover over the province. I hope that he is able to find pragmatic solutions to issues and not rely on old dogmatic views. I hope he is wise enough to put together a cabinet that doesn't include any bozos and works for all Albertans. I hope that he doesn't allow his personal social beliefs and that of some other UCPers to trump the overriding sentiment of the majority of Albertans.

[PostandIn]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

54 seconds of pleasantries, and 4 seconds of reality check about our chances of working with Quebec for new oil pipelines

A microcosm of what's wrong with politics. The views of the Premier of Quebec are at odds with the people of Quebec. There IS social license for more Alberta oil based on recent polls in Quebec. He's a stone liar playing to his political base.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

I hope that he doesn't allow his personal social beliefs and that of some other UCPers to trump the overriding sentiment of the majority of Albertans.

That's effectively what the rollback of the School Act does, IMO. Highly unnecessary and shows that he will be catering to specific groups in the province.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Trudeau's got two provincial allies in BC and Quebec, so the election might factor into being those two provinces and Trudeau against the rest of Canada.

Doesn't BC hate him? I feel like BC hates him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

That's effectively what the rollback of the School Act does, IMO. Highly unnecessary and shows that he will be catering to specific groups in the province.

Wait, are you suggesting there wasn't a groundswell of popular support from Albertans calling for 100 per cent public funding for students attending private schools?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Doesn't BC hate him? I feel like BC hates him.

Well yeah, he forced an unwanted pipeline down their throat.

Funny how the narrative changes when you cross the border.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Wait, are you suggesting there wasn't a groundswell of popular support from Albertans calling for 100 per cent public funding for students attending private schools?

Did you hear in his rambling when he said they're not perfect and will make mistakes along the way?

I sense this is a pretense and justification for "you're not going to like everything we do because we need to cater to our base". Like a forewarning that unpopular decisions are coming at the behest of special interest groups who voted for us

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Well yeah, he forced an unwanted pipeline down their throat.

Funny how the narrative changes when you cross the border.

My point is that Trudeau doesn't have a ton of support on either the right or the left in BC. A lot of people who voted liberal in BC in 2015 will be voting for someone else - probably mostly NDP, which should see some pick ups. Enough may go to the CPC that they reclaim a seat or two. I would be surprised if the Liberals end up with more than ten seats or so in the province, the way this is going (they got 17 last time). And it's not altogether clear they'll make any of that up in Quebec.

Of course it all comes down to Ontario, as usual.