Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

What the hell is wrong with you?

Don't you care about the unemployed?

Still wondering where the miracle is coming from. Certainly not the Wildrose rejects that couldn't even draft a budget 4 years ago.

[AltaGuy]

I’m pretty curious what Angry Alberta can accomplish in the next four years. It could be ugly and it could be good.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Although AP didn't get any seats, getting close to double digit numbers in votes is progress for them. They have an opportunity to be a legit contender in being the opposition next election if they can build awareness with their party, and be considered an actual legit option with candidates that inspire confidence.

That’s just incredibly difficult though. Having no MLAs means having no staffing paid for and raising money becomes very difficult. It’s a real problem.

And how do you attract top quality candidates at this point? It’s a huge opportunity blown by running with the bland and uninspired policy along with a leader to match.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by driveway

End result: Alberta chooses money over morals, surprising no one.

You let me know when morals puts food on the table, heats the house, and clothes your kids. You are entitled to state your viewpoint but it's simplistic and narrow.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Still wondering where the miracle is coming from. Certainly not the Wildrose rejects that couldn't even draft a budget 4 years ago.

Well we know the miracle wasn't coming from the NDP unless you believe there's a money fairy that's going to cover the NDP solution of increasing public sector employment.

[Ace]

Originally Posted by Slava

That’s just incredibly difficult though. Having no MLAs means having no staffing paid for and raising money becomes very difficult. It’s a real problem.



And how do you attract top quality candidates at this point? It’s a huge opportunity blown by running with the bland and uninspired policy along with a leader to match.

They basically need a floor crosser. However I believe this might have been part of the UCP platform to legislate bi-elections for anyone wanting to do this.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Ace

They basically need a floor crosser. However I believe this might have been part of the UCP platform to legislate bi-elections for anyone wanting to do this.

Even if you could get one, that's a year or two away. No one's crossing the day after to go to a party with zero seats.

[Ozy_Flame]

With the NDP removed the UCP can now focus on solving REAL problems that haven't been addressed: low-priced bitumen and building pipelines across Alberta's Canada!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by driveway

End result: Alberta chooses money over morals, surprising no one.

This is such bull####.

Unless you can show me a full scale utilitarian analysis showing that UCP policies will in general cause more harm you are in no position to state this.

It also assumes that the UCP will do better on pipelines.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

With the NDP removed the UCP can now focus on solving REAL problems that haven't been addressed: low-priced bitumen and building pipelines across Alberta's Canada!

Well considering the UCP won’t be putting in an energy minister who’s anti pipelines and anti oil sands like the ndp did, yes there is much more hope.

Also Kenny won’t have someone hostile to the energy sector working on an oil price differential (ndp’s Bryan Topp).

Etc etc

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by driveway

End result: Alberta chooses money over morals, surprising no one.

This fearmongering is why the left keeps losing.
I'm an Asian woman. Do you think I'm getting fired today? Have I suddenly lost status in society?

Albertans bend over backwards for minorities, disabled, LGBT etc.. you live in Taipei, you know how the rest of the world works.

[Wiggum_PI]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Still wondering where the miracle is coming from. Certainly not the Wildrose rejects that couldn't even draft a budget 4 years ago.

You would've preferred to stick with Joe downgrade Ceci and his perpetual $9B deficits?

The budget would be in balance by now following the Prentice plan. The NDP couldn't even follow their own budgets, awful fiscal management.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Still wondering where the miracle is coming from. Certainly not the Wildrose rejects that couldn't even draft a budget 4 years ago.

I think a few things give hope for change for the better

1) people will be more positive about the economy in the short term. Consumer confidence improves economies at least in the short term

2) They will hold the line on new spending. I’m not expecting miracle cuts but we won’t see ambitious programs over the next 4 years.

Also calling these guys Wildrose rejects isn’t exactly fair. 50% wild rose rejects would be more appropriate.

My bigger fear is that the killing and fighting of the Carbon tax is going to create regulatory uncertainty and decrease spending. All Capital projects will still include a Carbon Tax in their economics based on the federal costs. Any capital that was being proposed to be spent on CO2 reduction will now be deferred as the savings of such a project aren’t guaranteed.

So we still have the negative affects on investment day 1 and eliminate the potential benefits in attacking the problem

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Well considering the UCP won’t be putting in an energy minister who’s anti pipelines and anti oil sands like the ndp did, yes there is much more hope.

Also Kenny won’t have someone hostile to the energy sector working on an oil price differential (ndp’s Bryan Topp).

Etc etc

With the NDP out of the way, no more excuses. We've been promised jobs, economy and pipelines and anything less will be a debacle of epic proportions.

[Voodooman]

I was surprised there wasn't massive traffic this morning with the 50,000 oilpatch employees going back in downtown today. Or is everyone taking a couple of days to celebrate and coming back in on Monday?

Seriously though, Albertans spoke clearly, and it will be interesting to see what happens when none of the campaign rhetoric translates into actual policy that benefits Albertans. Sure, the carbon tax will be repealed...and the feds will impose theirs the very next day. Where will all these magical jobs that were promised going to come from exactly? Will we have a meaningless referendum on equalization, given that that province has no involvement in the collection or disbursement of those payments?

I predict in 2 years from now, downtown office vacancy will be the same or higher, unemployment will remain close to current levels, and there will be no significant gains in resource pricing. In my opinion, the factors that are driving the most significant economic issues are controlled by market forces far outside of provincial influence...no matter who is premier.

[Locke]

What bunch of psychotic clowns re-elected Joe Ceci? We should wall their community off.

[Voodooman]

Originally Posted by Locke

What bunch of psychotic clowns re-elected Joe Ceci? We should wall their community off.

Please do, if it means tourists will stop clogging up traffic on 9th Avenue on the weekend. What, do I come to Tuscany and walk between the Starbucks, Applebees and Sobeys?

Joe Ceci is a gap-toothed moron, but he's popular amongst the latte sippers.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by driveway

End result: Alberta chooses money over morals, surprising no one.

Nice try, better stick to what you're best at though: Creepily ogling young women from Taipei convenience stores.

[Ducay]

Best part of the whole outcome?

Edmonton, being no good, is effectively relegated to the opposition and has no voice in the governing party.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

I was surprised there wasn't massive traffic this morning with the 50,000 oilpatch employees going back in downtown today. Or is everyone taking a couple of days to celebrate and coming back in on Monday?

Seriously though, Albertans spoke clearly, and it will be interesting to see what happens when none of the campaign rhetoric translates into actual policy that benefits Albertans. Sure, the carbon tax will be repealed...and the feds will impose theirs the very next day. Where will all these magical jobs that were promised going to come from exactly? Will we have a meaningless referendum on equalization, given that that province has no involvement in the collection or disbursement of those payments?

I predict in 2 years from now, downtown office vacancy will be the same or higher, unemployment will remain close to current levels, and there will be no significant gains in resource pricing. In my opinion, the factors that are driving the most significant economic issues are controlled by market forces far outside of provincial influence...no matter who is premier.

This may be true. As was stated earlier it could be really ugly or really good.

It was not getting better with that NDP budget. At least with UCP it could be really good. Voters will take that chance.