Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Even if, on average, they aren't worse(which isn't really my experience) they are generally supposed to be held to a higher standard. I got my class 4, it's a longer road test, less lenient on screwing up, and a longer paper test. Or it was 23 years ago, anyway...Anyway, that's why I wonder how they pass given my experience with the test.

You notice because you ride a bike. Taxis and people in BMWs seem to be the worst to me.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I think, for the good of everyone, we're heading for a minority government. I don't know on which side, but this election is far too contentious to result in a majority for anyone.

Personally, I think our system functions better under minority governments - normally, they curb everyone's worst impulses.

The NDP' s polling is abysmal outside of Edmonton and a few parts of Calgary. The rural vote looks like it will be going UCP almost across the board, except for West Lethbridge.

Almost no chance of a minority government as it stands.

[Muta]

"NO COLLUSION NO COLLUSION.... I WON THE UCP FAIR AND SQUARE!"

[nik-]

Imagine a joke failing horribly and your reaction is to try the same one again.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by habernac

You notice because you ride a bike. Taxis and people in BMWs seem to be the worst to me.

I actually mostly notice when I get in one. Last time my wife almost made the guy stop so she could get out becuase he could not stay on our side of the road and talk at the same time. The guys from the airport are incapable of being anywhere near the speed limit on airport trail, and heaven forbid they manage to turn from the lane they are in to the one they are supposed to go in. I'm pretty sure they all have their signal light switches disabled as well. Sorry, when I pay money for a service I expect it done safely and professionally. For some reason taxi drivers get a pass on this.


Anyway, way off topic here.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by nik-

Imagine a joke failing horribly and your reaction is to try the same one again.

Ugh, that would suck

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by nik-

Imagine a joke failing horribly and your reaction is to try the same one again.

It can be hard to come up with new material whilst navigating the booming Edmonton economy....

[Nyah]

Muta coming into the thread like

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[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm confident the Alberta Party will do better this time around, and will syphon some votes away from both the UCP and NDP.

Again, they're not supposed to be winning - but a balance of power situation could give the AP some serious influence.

And since I'm an AP supporter, I want this to happen, and I will continue to want it to happen until they form a majority government themselves

I respect that. I think there was a misfire with Mandal as the leader.



I follow the news and the election pretty heavily and in terms of profile wise, its like the Alberta party doesn't exist, the story is the UCP vs NDP. I don't know whether they're communications department is just not good, or if Mandal is shy to get attention, but its just not there.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I respect that. I think there was a misfire with Mandal as the leader.



I follow the news and the election pretty heavily and in terms of profile wise, its like the Alberta party doesn't exist, the story is the UCP vs NDP. I don't know whether they're communications department is just not good, or if Mandal is shy to get attention, but its just not there.

100% agree, Clark would have been better to keep and was always my preference. Mandel was simply there to raise the profile, which I believe has happened during this election.

Upward project at the cost of the big two parties means the AP is going in the right direction. And they'll have four years to re-charge, re-organize and keep showing why they should matter. FYI the shadow budgets they release are great to follow; I don't even think the UCP was doing that.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

It can be hard to come up with new material whilst navigating the booming Edmonton economy....

Second part of that narrative by Trevor Tombe:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1114168785118695425

[Muta]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

It can be hard to come up with new material whilst navigating the booming Edmonton economy....

crazy_eoj's creep level:



Congrats!

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

RE: Chemgear driving test post:


It's possible it is being horribly bungled, but the private sytem has led to far to many "shouldn't be on the road" drivers, include professionals. See: Humbolt, most semi drivers, and every taxi driver in Calgary. This needed to be done, hopefully they can avoid NDPing it up to badly.

A big first step would be to 'ungovernment' the hours and allowing in the evenings and weekends like it used to be. It's bad enough a number of the examiners quit when control passed back into government hands but the ones that are left are working hours that are inconvenient now.

[Robbob]

With all the advanced voting that is being done, this should make election night interesting. Still have 3 days left to vote in advance.

According to Drew Westwater with Elections Alberta he says all the votes cast by people outside their home riding won’t be counted until the day after the election.

“We will not know the unofficial winner until we’ve finished counting those, so far 83,000 (ballots) and whatever number we get until Saturday.”

The 83,000 is the number of ballots cast so far from those who voted outside their riding, Westwater says the total number of advance votes so far has eclipsed 270,000.

https://www.660citynews.com/2019/04/...tions-alberta/

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

https://globalnews.ca/news/5154063/2...mpression=true

Anecdotally, but the only time I've met Brian Jean, he pretended like we'd met before, and proceeded to walk around an event of 200+ people with his fly undone. Sure, it could happen to anyone. But let's not pretend like he was some sort of silver bullet that was going to defeat Kenney.

The man presided over the Wild Rose party. Remember them....? Lake of fire.....

Seems awfully convenient right now that the NDP and left leaning liberal populace is now crying foul that a more conservative leader for their arch rival wasn't elected due to alleged malfeasance within the party.

This election can't be over soon enough. It is really highlighting the worst of what politics has devolved into. The NDP are clearly desperate at this point, and the negativity is really starting to get annoying.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I think you're missing the point. It wasn't just that Kenney would have won, but they wanted him to win with his hands free of blood. They didn't want him to have to attack Brian Jean and isolate the crazy wild rose voters. That would have pushed them to fringe parties (like the Freedom Conservative Party now formed). So instead they had Callaway attack Jean, make it abundantly clear he was unfit for the party, and then drop out and make it an easy path for Kenney to be the champion leader of the party - a united party that whole heartedly wanted Kenney, not just a narrow victory.


Clinton was also going to win against Sanders. Didn't stop them from conspiring to help her.

Occam's razor and all that, we have tapes, emails, and people saying that it happened. People in Kenney's inner circle.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Anecdotally, but the only time I've met Brian Jean, he pretended like we'd met before, and proceeded to walk around an event of 200+ people with his fly undone. Sure, it could happen to anyone. But let's not pretend like he was some sort of silver bullet that was going to defeat Kenney.

The man presided over the Wild Rose party. Remember them....? Lake of fire.....

Seems awfully convenient right now that the NDP and left leaning liberal populace is now crying foul that a more conservative leader for their arch rival wasn't elected due to alleged malfeasance within the party.

This election can't be over soon enough. It is really highlighting the worst of what politics has devolved into. The NDP are clearly desperate at this point, and the negativity is really starting to get annoying.

So your stance is that lying and cheating to win a leadership race doesn't matter because he probably would have won anyway.

And that people should give him a pass for lying and cheating because his main rival would have been worse than him?

Is that honestly the way you think rules/laws should be applied?

As for the NDP being desperate, what does potential cheating in a leadership race have to do with the NDP. They aren't the ones making a fuss about it or investigating it. What they are doing, is rightfully pointing out that maybe if someone is willing to lie and cheat their way to being a party leader, he may not be the most trustworthy candidate when it comes to becoming Premier.

[Shazam]

Voted at City Hall. There was a bit of a lineup there - about ten people.

[IliketoPuck]

The options in Alberta were:

1. Status Quo (good chance of NDP coming up the middle again).

or.

2. Merge the right vote.

Option 2 required that the majority of the voters for both parties stay with the amalgamated entity. I guess I just don't care that much about the "stalking horse" tactic. Seems like politics and ladder climbing to me. Overly ethical, no. Illegal, no. Sour grapes from Brian Jean and ammunition for the NDP at election time? Definitely.

Given I haven't followed it closely, maybe this has been answered already, but why didn't this come out shortly after the parties merged? Because clearly those individuals knew at that time what was going on. So here we are, in the single month before the election, when it is potentially most damaging, and suddenly it is a big deal.

Much like the "caravan" issue before the '18 midterms, Notley's April Surprise will result in little more than ripples once the election is concluded.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

So your stance is that lying and cheating to win a leadership race doesn't matter because he probably would have won anyway.

And that people should give him a pass for lying and cheating because his main rival would have been worse than him?

Is that honestly the way you think rules/laws should be applied?

As for the NDP being desperate, what does potential cheating in a leadership race have to do with the NDP. They aren't the ones making a fuss about it or investigating it. What they are doing, is rightfully pointing out that maybe if someone is willing to lie and cheat their way to being a party leader, he may not be the most trustworthy candidate when it comes to becoming Premier.

If the allegations are true, sure, very dubious ethics. If he's proven to have broken the law, then he should be held accountable.

But let's not pretend like the timing of this coming out in the weeks before the election is a coincidence.