Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[Slava]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Quit deflecting from the economy you guys, the UCP will undoubtedly be reputable stewards of the economy based on [shuffles papers for 6 months until the election]

Well that might be the case, but the truth is the government we've had has already been terrible economically. And don't bother talking about the global oil price, because the harsh reality is there are things this government decided to do that it didn't have to.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Nah, we should worry about the economy instead of possible illegal election activity.

It is about the economy. It is not for our benefit that these US groups are meddling in our elections.

Apologies if I missed the sarcasm in your post, can't tell if you were serious or not.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

I think this could be the way to go for people in this camp and in two Calgary ridings this could even be a good strategic vote for that viewpoint.

Let me paint the following scenario: Assuming the UCP take a good licking in the polling for this, they could be in a situation where the NDP has Edmonton solid, The UCP has rural Alberta save for 2-3 ridings, and with Calgary as the battleground in the race to get to 44 seats for a majority. To win a majority the NDP would have to basically get all but 2-4 seats in Calgary. Greg Clark, and Rick Fraser from the Alberta party can be in the middle between a majority for either party and we could get a BC situation where they hold the balance of power in a minority government either UCP or NDP.

I agree that a UCP minority government may be the best solution. However, it doesn't look like that will be the scenario.

Maybe even add Derek Fildebrandt (he's polling well in Chestermere /Strathmore) and you could have a minority government that blunts the worst of both leading parties.

Isn't Fildebrandt the guy who got caught in a hit and run and also got caught cheating on his expenses?

edit- It wasn't hit and run it was poaching.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

I agree that a UCP minority government may be the best solution. However, it doesn't look like that will be the scenario.



Isn't Fildebrandt the guy who got caught in a hit and run and also got caught cheating on his expenses?

edit- It wasn't hit and run it was poaching.

Agreed, he's not ideal, but he's a conservative voice that isn't beholden to the UCP. In his riding it's a race between him and the UCP candidate. My post was aimed at outlining how one who is caught between the two big parties could think strategically.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Isn't Fildebrandt the guy who got caught in a hit and run and also got caught cheating on his expenses?

Yes, he is. If lawn signs are anything to go by he's popular in Strathmore. He stopped by my parents' house the other day but it was at the start of the Flames game so I didn't answer.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Isn't Fildebrandt the guy who got caught in a hit and run and also got caught cheating on his expenses?

edit- It wasn't hit and run it was poaching.

It was all 3

[Travis Munroe]

If the UCP were more progressive in terms of 2-3 human rights discussions, I can't see them losing a single vote from those already voting for them and could see them gaining votes from those stuck on voting AP as a middle man.

I clearly must be missing something because it seems like such a win-win when economically, in general, people favor your party but you take a hard stance that the majority disagree with in terms of human rights. It just seems so easy to appeal to the masses whereas the NDP would need to rewrite 80% of their platform to appeal to the masses.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

It just seems so easy to appeal to the masses whereas the NDP would need to rewrite 80% of their platform to appeal to the masses.

The NDP appeals to about 35-40% of voters, with existing platform. They have broad support amongst unions, teachers, nurses, women, artists, LGBTQ, academics, and the highly educated.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by troutman

... and the highly educated.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Quit deflecting from the economy you guys, the UCP will undoubtedly be reputable stewards of the economy based on [shuffles papers for 6 months until the election]

No one tell Psycnet when the election is being held! One fewer vote for those evil dippers!

[troutman]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

There were poll results the other day that generally showed NDP support increases and UCP support decreases, the higher the level of education. Will try to find that . . .

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Yeah you think that they'd go for the UCP, but they probably see something that concerns them

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

I'm not sold on the Alberta party as a whole, but Greg Clark and Rick Fraser in my mind are quality MLAs and good people.

I agree. They seem to be very nice and genuine people with balanced centre-weighted political views. That's not a party yet though. Just two nice guys. Sounds like the moving truck slogan...

[Flash Walken]

If you're voting for the ucp based on economic policy at this point you're not a rational actor, you're an ideologue.

There isn't anything in their platform or governing history that suggests they will be even neutral stewards of the economy, and the price of that admission is largely abhorrent views on things that should be immediately disqualifying in a modern nation like Canada.

That Charles adler interview was incredible. It is astounding to me that so many voters don't see kenneys naked, bigoted ambition for what it is. The guy is a charlattan of the highest order.

Maybe there is more 'economic anxiety' in the province than people are willing to let on.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by troutman

The NDP appeals to about 35-40% of voters, with existing platform. They have broad support amongst unions, teachers, nurses, women, artists, LGBTQ, academics, and the highly educated.

Unions - no surprise
Teachers - no surprise
Nurses - no surprise
Women - not in my circles
Artists - no surprise
LGBTQ - no surprise
Academics - no surprise
Highly educated - difficult to define "highly educated", but in my circles which some might define as highly educated ..... NDP has very minimal support

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If you're voting for the ucp based on economic policy at this point you're not a rational actor, you're an ideologue.

[...] Maybe there is more 'economic anxiety' in the province than people are willing to let on.

There you go guys, Flash Walken has declared it. If you vote for the UCP now you're an "ideologue", and also probably a bigot of some description (you see, that's what he means by "economic anxiety"). That'll be the explanation when the UCP inevitably wins! Province full of bigots!

I just figured I should make sure everyone was clear on that since his opinions on political issues are so widely considered to be sage and worth listening to. I know what he thinks of you matters to you all. Don't disappoint the guy!

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by troutman

and the highly educated.

That's a loaded term. People who have the most degrees and letters at the end of their name (this is coming from someone who has letters after their name) too often get conflated with 'Highly Educated' as if they are 'greater than'.

Sure that category probably excludes most unintelligent people, but it also excludes a large portion of people who are highly intelligent but made different life decisions. A significant portion of the population is intelligent enough to pursue academics beyond a bachelor's degree, but do not, because they are focused on their careers, families etc. They are not 'lesser than' by any means, and when it comes to most aspects in life those who do have graduate degrees and above offer no more to the discussion either.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If you're voting for the ucp based on economic policy at this point you're not a rational actor, you're an ideologue.

Why don't you tell us what's 'rational' then?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

That's a loaded term. People who have the most degrees and letters at the end of their name (this is coming from someone who has letters after their name) too often get conflated with 'Highly Educated' as if they are 'greater than'.

Sure that category probably excludes most unintelligent people, but it also excludes a large portion of people who are highly intelligent but made different life decisions. A significant portion of the population is intelligent enough to pursue academics beyond a bachelor's degree, but do not, because they are focused on their careers, families etc. They are not 'lesser than' by any means, and when it comes to most aspects in life those who do have graduate degrees and above offer no more to the discussion either.

I agree that it is dangerous to equate level of education solely with intelligence. There could be many factors that cause the so-called "highly educated" to lean more liberal, such as age, urban/rural etc.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Why don't you tell us what's 'rational' then?

Evidence based policy proposals.