Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[PepsiFree]

And private school kids are weird. No money should go to them.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Why shouldn't they be funded the same? Their parents pay the same education taxes.

There's a public education system. Everyone is welcome in that system. It's paid for collectively. That's the 'public' part. Like a public park. Or public transit. Or a public library.

Then there are private schools. They get to determine who can and can't enroll. They charge money. People are willing to pay more for those schools because they're perceived to offer some value beyond the public system.

If you opt out of the public system because you prefer a private school, what is the public interest in funding you? Should we start dedicating government money to private gyms and golf courses too - after all, the people who use them pay their taxes.

[V]

If you think your schools are overburdened now, just wait until we flood your schools with our kids once the government makes it unaffordable.

[PsYcNeT]

More likely to become an incel - homeschooled kids or private school kids?

The answer may surprise you!

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

More likely to become an incel - homeschooled kids or private school kids?

The answer may surprise you!

That nobody cares?

[iggy_oi]

Calgary judge denies bid to halt UCP 'kamikaze' campaign probe during Alberta election

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...3AMIMx8mI0LQJ4

Court of Queen's Bench Justice Anne Kirker delivered her decision Wednesday afternoon, ruling it is in the public interest for the investigation to continue.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Weitz

That nobody cares?

Did you learn at private school how to bully people?

You gonna make me eat the soggy biscuit dude?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Did you learn at private school how to bully people?

You gonna make me eat the soggy biscuit dude?

......Didn’t you just call a bunch of kids you don’t know “incels”?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

......Didn’t you just call a bunch of kids you don’t know “incels”?

I think he said kids from a certain education funnel are more likely to become incels.

Like if I said which city do you think produces more scans, Edmonton or Calgary? I’m not saying that (Edmonton) is all scabs, I’m saying that they’re more likely to produce scabs.

[PepsiFree]

Plus I read a study that said private school graduates are more likely to smell their own farts and develop a fetish for it.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Did you learn at private school how to bully people?

You gonna make me eat the soggy biscuit dude?

Bullying? Haha. Nah there was no bullying at my ####ty public school.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There's a public education system. ...

Yes, there is. With all of its gigantic financial inefficiencies, bloated administrative juggernaut, teams of $150k/yr psychologists and behavioural specialists, full pensions at 52 (85 factor), excellent benefits, unions and other nice stuff that's not part of individual private schools. So, let's not portray public education system as starving on a shoestring budget.

Leaving the above notion aside, look at a beautiful public school in Springbank that outperforms a public school in Dover on all performance metrics. Should the public school in Springbank be stripped of its funding, because those rich kids don't deserve free public education?

Inequality is ugly.

[Muta]

When I was in debate back in high school (yeah yeah, whatever), facing off against private school kids was always hilarious. They were TERRIFIED of us 'public school' kids, and would never network with us outside of the debates. Would always just scurry away as quick as possible. Many of them definitely lived in some sort of social bubble. I saw some of them again in Haskayne and they possessed the same behaviour.

Not saying they're all like that, but that was my own experience with them back then. Hahaha.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Yes, there is. With all of its gigantic financial inefficiencies, bloated administrative juggernaut, teams of $150k/yr psychologists and behavioural specialists, full pensions at 52 (85 factor), excellent benefits, unions and other nice stuff that's not part of individual private schools. So, let's not portray public education system as starving on a shoestring budget.

Leaving the above notion aside, look at a beautiful public school in Springbank that outperforms a public school in Dover on all performance metrics. Should the public school in Springbank be stripped of its funding, because those rich kids don't deserve free public education?

Inequality is ugly.

I agree that if you look at the teacher to non teacher ratio of the CSB it does not look good and that there is likely waste in that system that could be cut. They also have to have a lot of services to make up for inadequate parenting, abusive parenting, learning disabilities, and other issues that require these non-teaching personal. Can they do better absolutely

No one is saying that wealthy parents should have to pay for their child to access the public school system. They do deserve free PUBLIC education. They do not deserve a subsidized private education.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by GGG

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No one is saying that wealthy parents should have to pay for their child to access the public school system. They do deserve free PUBLIC education. They do not deserve a subsidized private education.

See, this is it. "They" are not parents, "they" are children. They should be receiving the same amount of education funding regardless of which approved school delivers it. Current system sees it the same way. I believe this approach shouldn't change.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

See, this is it. "They" are not parents, "they" are children. They should be receiving the same amount of education funding regardless of which approved school delivers it. Current system sees it the same way. I believe this approach shouldn't change.

If “they” is children then the money spent by parents through taxation or tuition doesn’t matter so a private school funded privately and a public school funded publicly both receive sufficient funds from the funding sources to deliver education to children. In no case does a child not have an option to go to school. (I don’t think it makes sense to look at from the child point of view like this though)

The current system does not see the full per capita rate of school funding go to a school that charges tuition. About 5k or so of the 12k average goes to private school but the 12k average also includes special needs so the 12k number is much lower when that is taken out. Kenny proposes to increase this amount to the full per capita rate. (I’m unsure if that is the full per capita rate or the per capita non-needs rate). What approach do you not want to see changes?

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4553955
Here’s a link that is pretty unbiased

[Frank MetaMusil]

Seeing friends, family, and coworkers struggle to keep afloat day to day is where I'll vote. Enough rhetoric and labeling. The NDP will get a few more credit downgrades with their "vote on your morals" approach. It's not the way life actually works.

Ooga booga. Public sector employees should have saved more during the boom times.

[Ozy_Flame]

Charles Adler has Kenney on the radio right now. Riveting stuff, Kenney not apologizing for his past work in San Fransisco, and Adler slamming him for not doing so. Also asking Kenney hardball questions I don't thinks encountered in an interview format yet.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Is he backing down / dodging or facing them head on? I'd listen to that.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by GGG

...What approach do you not want to see changes?

My initial response was to Cliff's post, in which he wanted this to be an election issue. Anyway, my wife works for CBE, all of my kids went to Calgary public schools and my youngest should be graduating from UofC this year; so there is a limit to how much I care to debate this subject further.

P.S. Good article though.

Let's go watch hockey.