[Rumour] UPD: Flames are done for the day. Zucker deal does not go through

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Really? Vegas didn't give up much for Stone. No one in the west gave up much for any of the rentals. Seems like Tree just #### the bed TBH.

Really? Vegas gave up a top d-prospect and paid $9.5 million for Stone for the next 8 years. That seems like a lot. Have fun signing Tkachuk and other young prospects if the Flames did the same. Seems like Tree GM'd his way to a first-place conference team doing what he's doing.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

When was the last time a big splash at the deadline put someone over the edge and got them a cup?

Do these moves make these teams better than they were yesterday?

IMO, yes. And we would have been too if we made a deadline deal for a forward in the same ilk.

[kman35ca]

I'm fine with holding pat.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Really? Vegas gave up a top d-prospect and paid $9.5 million for Stone for the next 8 years. That seems like a lot. Have fun signing Tkachuk and other young prospects if the Flames did the same. Seems like Tree GM'd his way to a first-place conference team doing what he's doing.

What hurts a bit is that it would have been entirely feasible had the Flames not committed $5.75m a year to Neal. Guy better pick it up. We need it.

[Mattman]

tAMpa BaY dIdN't mAkE A tRaDe! bOsTon GoT bEtTer!
1st rOuND eXiT!!!!!!!

[AC]

If true about that Frolik+1st for Zucker rumour, I wonder if Frolik simply said no to Minnesota.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Really? Vegas didn't give up much for Stone. No one in the west gave up much for any of the rentals. Seems like Tree just #### the bed TBH.

They are giving up $9.5M for a long time. Treliving didn't want Stone as a rental and it seems he didn't like the contract he was demanding. And he likes Valimaki.

[Stauner]

Originally Posted by Bunk

What hurts a bit is that it would have been entirely feasible had the Flames not committed $5.75m a year to Neal. Guy better pick it up. We need it.

Well we need Neal to come back from injury refreshed and play like the player that he has been for the past 5 years

If that happens then it's like adding a star at the deadline

[SuperMatt18]

It that is true then it's quite possible that Minnesota was on Frolik's 10 team no trade list and maybe he wouldn't wave...

[ForeverFlameFan]

Stone being paid until he is 35 seems like a horrible move by Vegas.

[Savvy27]

Some thoughts on Flames standing (mostly) pat:

1. Even if the Flames had a package that would have landed Stone, the $9.5 per year simply does not fit in with their salary structure. It is going to be difficult enough to sign Tkachuk to anything close to the Giordano/Gaudreau internal cap number, but that goes right out the window if they agree to those terms with Stone.

2. Fantenberg does not make a ton of sense to me as an addition. It's not like he has a ton of playoff experience for the other guys to rely on, he's merely older. A distant 4th isn't really worth complaining about, but the deal seems a little wasteful when Valimaki and Stone are set to return.

3. Treliving has a lot more patience than I do and hopefully it pans out. It is a little disappointing to miss out on the excitement of a big addition on trade deadline day, but the fact of the matter is that the teams in the West are making these moves to compete with the Flames, who are currently the best of the bunch. It's not like the Flames are in a poor position now. They have a decent schedule remaining with lots of home games and by holding on to their picks and young players, they are going to have all of Valimaki, Andersson, Kylington, Dube, Czarnik, and Mangiapane to look forward to in the near future instead of trying to plug holes with low end UFAs.

4. Team chemistry: I'll grant that it is common for teams to say that the locker room is close and guys care about each other, but I do believe it when it comes to this group. A lot of them have been able to grow together to become a top team in the league and the new additions like Hanifin and Lindholm have fit in seamlessly and are playing the best hockey of their career. Bringing in another high profile player carries at least some risk of disrupting a really good situation. We heard Peters telling the media the other day that he is happy with the roster as is and thinks they can get to another level.

5. This is going to be a hell of a playoffs. Calgary has an excellent team, but question marks in goal, not a lot of toughness, and a lack of playoff experience. I am incredibly excited to see how Peters manages to prepare them for the battles to come. Other teams in the division and conference sure seem to have closed the gap with the moves today. However, I cannot imagine that there are any teams out there looking forward to matching up with Calgary either.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Nyquist has a no-trade clause on his contract, and by all counts very much wanted to go to SJ. The Flames's "massive fail" here is not being located in California.

Where are you getting this info? I haven't seen anything regarding Nyquist not wanting to come Calgary.

Point remains. The Flames needed to upgrade the 2nd line RW position to have a legit chance at a long run in the playoffs, IMO . If it was because they didn't want to lose a late 1st round pick for a guy who was a UFA at the end of the season, that's a fail.

The city and fan base has been stuck supporting a franchise whos won 4 playoff series in the last 30 years. Its not like we've been spoiled with success. I think if anything this tells me management doesn't think they are true cup contender this year and probably thinks the young guys need another year of playoff experience before they are willing to trade any significant assets to go on a cup run.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by AC

If true about that Frolik+1st for Zucker rumour, I wonder if Frolik simply said no to Minnesota.

if that's the case, his agent best STFU till the end of his contract.

[CanadaMatt]

Originally Posted by Bunk

What hurts a bit is that it would have been entirely feasible had the Flames not committed $5.75m a year to Neal. Guy better pick it up. We need it.

Some folks have been saying this since November and getting ridiculed...

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They are giving up $9.5M for a long time. Treliving didn't want Stone as a rental and it seems he didn't like the contract he was demanding. And he likes Valimaki.

Factor in taxes. Us getting Stone means a package with Valimaki and an 8 year deal at 10.5.


We did the right thing holding off. Sucks he went in our division but that’s out of our control once we walk away from the table.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Maybe next season the Flames go all in on Taylor Hall.

Has Hall started playing RW?
If they don't end up keeping Tkachuk, or move him to RW full-time, then maybe there's an off chance they go for Hall.

[flamesfever]

Phew!!! I'm sure glad that our management didn't get carried away today. I believe standing pat was the only thing that logically made sense, all things considered.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Bunk

What hurts a bit is that it would have been entirely feasible had the Flames not committed $5.75m a year to Neal. Guy better pick it up. We need it.

This is a reasonable take. But still, committing Valimaki to that deal is something I would balk at. This team needs to stay the course on acquiring and keeping cost-controlled players.

I'd also like to see how the current group does in their first real round of playoffs with high expectations before shoving prospects out the door.

[sureLoss]

Treliving basically said that all the players they were interested in were asking for Andersson/Valimaki/1sts which he wasn't willing to give up

[Shin Pad]

If the Flames get to the SCF, I don't think that they would beat the Bolts, even with Stone in the lineup. They are better off to stand pat or just make a minor deal.