[Rumour] McKenzie: dealbreaker for Flames is that Sens want Valimaki in Stone package

[csnarpy]

Originally Posted by nik-

No one wants to admit they remember a line from Jerry Maguire.

Lmao

[Cole436]

I’m not going to be super disappointed if we stay pat today. I have vivid memories of the last time we went deep into a big name at the deadline and it was the start of the complete destruction of our team.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

glad we are not paying a king's ransom for a rental but bummed that San Jose got a lot better and we look to be doing nothing. Going to be tough to get out of the second round. San Jose clearly the favorite in the west IMO.

"Clearly" the favourite? No. There is not really a clear favourite.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think right now the Flames are out. It's like any negotiation - when you walk away you have to be prepared to actually walk away - otherwise it's a hollow threat
But that doesn't mean you don't re-engage if the other party invites you back to the table.

It's like negotiating with street/beach vendors on vacation.

At some point they aren't coming down from their prices so you walk away and damn if they don't chase after you with a new "lowest price".

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by csnarpy

Too bad the majority of the posters here won't know what this is, lol

I may have told a few people down at the pub.

[Matata]

OR Tre saw that the other teams shopping for scoring have already picked someone up and knows he's one of the few dance partners left, now he's letting the Sens know that it's gonna be a good deal or nothing.

[Johnny Makarov]

We should counter them by offering them Frolik for Chabot....

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the Flames walking away if they felt that the price was too high. In interviews the Flames basically stated that if they're going to trade their first or high prospects that the person coming back better be part of the core going forward.


It the Sens weren't allowing teams to talk to Stone's management team, then they were playing on teams hopes that they could sign him with no guarantee that he would.


The Flames aren't going to pay a premium on hope, so good for them for standing pat. Hopefully Dorian gets stuck holding the bag on Stone and they lose him over the summer.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He's probably as good as any player that's ever been available at the deadline.

Ron Francis comes to mind.

But even if you are somewhat right, you do not blow your entire asset base to get a winger that would become your highest paid player by a country mile to retain and at the same time driving you to lose existing roster players in the summer to do so.......that's just bad management.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

did san jose really get better?

Nyquist is just a guy.

Nyquist is a good player

[Shazam]

Valimaki for Stone favours Ottawa.

RFA future top pairing d-man for a UFA winger? Yeah, Ottawa wins that one.

Ottawa can throw in next years first, and *maybe* that evens out the deal.

Honestly Ottawa has nothing that matches Valimaki.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Flames are out per Chris Johnston of sportsnet.

I am guessing they will try and see if they can circle back later in the day.

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
He was referring to Mark Stone here. So Calgary is out. And Winnipeg is out.

Ryan Leslie @ryanleslie73
Don Maloney telling me moments ago, the #Flames were “in on something big” last night but that it fell apart.

Again, they are not willing to use their high end prospects for a rental.

This almost reads like that Chris Dragon guy on Twitter had some legit info. He basically said the trade was super likely to be announced a few hours after the game, and then a few hours later said the flames are almost certainly right. Sounds like it was close and then the flames walked away.

Call me an optimist, but this sounds like posturing to me. I could see him going to the flames still.

[dustygoon]

Ottawa almost HAS to trade Stone now. They are going to lose him for nothing otherwise.

The wizard doesn't have to do anything...team is 2nd place with high offensive numbers.

You wait for your price or skip it.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by AC

It's like negotiating with street/beach vendors on vacation.

At some point they aren't coming down from their prices so you walk away and damn if they don't chase after you with a new "lowest price".

Mark Stone is like a pair of knockoff Oakleys

[Duffalufagus]

lol at calling Nyquist a JAG

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Cole436

I’m not going to be super disappointed if we stay pat today. I have vivid memories of the last time we went deep into a big name at the deadline and it was the start of the complete destruction of our team.

The scars of Mike Leclerc took a long time to heal.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by nik-

No one wants to admit they remember a line from Jerry Maguire.

Its Notting Hill.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Flames are out per Chris Johnston of sportsnet.

I am guessing they will try and see if they can circle back later in the day.

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
He was referring to Mark Stone here. So Calgary is out. And Winnipeg is out.

Ryan Leslie @ryanleslie73
Don Maloney telling me moments ago, the #Flames were “in on something big” last night but that it fell apart.

Again, they are not willing to use their high end prospects for a rental.

Could not be happier!

[corporatejay]

Dorion let Karlsson walk for NOTHING and gave away Hoffman for a song. He's a terrible GM. Don't be surprised if he loses Stone for nothing as well.

[sempuki]

Flames are right to protect team chemistry. Sometimes things are greater than the sum of their parts. No rentals.