2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by memphusk

He also did nothing when he went to the Rangers.

He also did nothing playing for Bill Peters

[BigJim]

The thing is, Treliving never shows his hand publicly. He is never mentioned in the media and then boom, he makes a big move. This was the case for Hamilton when he was acquired and last year for Lindholm/Hanafin. I recall he was asked outright if Hamilton was going to be traded and he said no, then went and did just that.

I don't believe any rumours about what Treliving is doing because no one really knows until it happens. He doesn't manage out in the open.

[Krynn]

Wasn't it reported that he hated playing for Peters

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigJim

The thing is, Treliving never shows his hand publicly. He is never mentioned in the media and then boom, he makes a big move. This was the case for Hamilton when he was acquired and last year for Lindholm/Hanafin. I recall he was asked outright if Hamilton was going to be traded and he said no, then went and did just that.

I don't believe any rumours about what Treliving is doing because no one really knows until it happens. He doesn't manage out in the open.

Agreed that BT keeps his cards close to his vest on his end.

But there are other teams that seemingly have leaks, whether on purpose or not.

IMO its who you are hearing he is talking with rather than who we hear is talked about. There is a LOT of subterfuge going on this time of year.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Treliving may not like the “idea” of expending assets for rentals. But as past history has shown, he’s not against making deals for rentals with the Stone, Shore and Stewart acquisitions.

None of those players were acquired at any significant cost. Stewart was a waiver claim. Shore was acquired for a 7th round pick at the following year's draft (which is shaping up to be one of the last 5-10 picks in the draft). Even Stone cost only a 3rd round pick and a conditional 5th rounder if he re-signed.

So, far that 3rd round pick for Stone is the most Treliving has given up for a deadline rental.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by getbak

None of those players were acquired at any significant cost. Stewart was a waiver claim. Shore was acquired for a 7th round pick at the following year's draft (which is shaping up to be one of the last 5-10 picks in the draft). Even Stone cost only a 3rd round pick and a conditional 5th rounder if he re-signed.

So, far that 3rd round pick for Stone is the most Treliving has given up for a deadline rental.

The fact he re-signed him shows that he made the move not thinking it was a rental and more likely a longer term fit so giving up the picks made sense.

Treliving has really only traded picks for guys with team control and with his history and knowledge of Stone he had a good idea that was a longer term fit.

I am not sure how he is going to do it and who will pay the price but if he makes a move for Stone I am confident he will be able to keep the player. That may cost the team someone else that we wouldn’t want to lose but I can’t see Treliving giving up a lot of futures for a short term player.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by getbak

None of those players were acquired at any significant cost. Stewart was a waiver claim. Shore was acquired for a 7th round pick at the following year's draft (which is shaping up to be one of the last 5-10 picks in the draft). Even Stone cost only a 3rd round pick and a conditional 5th rounder if he re-signed.

So, far that 3rd round pick for Stone is the most Treliving has given up for a deadline rental.

So far.

He really hasn’t been in this situation before.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by BigJim

The thing is, Treliving never shows his hand publicly. He is never mentioned in the media and then boom, he makes a big move. This was the case for Hamilton when he was acquired and last year for Lindholm/Hanafin. I recall he was asked outright if Hamilton was going to be traded and he said no, then went and did just that.

I don't believe any rumours about what Treliving is doing because no one really knows until it happens. He doesn't manage out in the open.

True, Treliving never says too much publicly. But there were rumours that Hamilton was going to be traded, and a about a week before the trade, it was even so specific that Lindolm and Hanifin were in the rumours.

It was too bang on to just be coincidence. Someone had to have leaked something.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Right. Brouwer and Neal were guys who played on one level - second or third line, and Treliving hoped they'd maybe take a step up. Stone is a first line player would actually be stepping in on the second line.

Stone plays nothing like those two players.

Another thing to consider is, Stone might not play on the second line all the time. It could very well turn out that we see:

Gaudreau Monahan Stone
Tkachuck Backlund Lindholm

Given the flexibility Peters has along with how he seems to like to move things around, it wouldn't surprise me to see him role this combination out there.

The only thing that would give me pause it that you're likely entering a bidding war with at least Winnipeg & Vegas, if recent rumours are accurate. The pursuit of Stone from a Flames standpoint should be predicted on him resigning. If he's not resigning, I have a hard time giving up anything more than a first or, say, mangipanne/Kylington and a mid round pick.

If the Flames are able to resign him, things get interesting. First I think this pushes the Flames into a legitimate cup contender status for the next 3 years, at least. But it will be at high cost. The offer likely starts with a 1st, Jankowski, & Kylington. If I'm Ottawa, I'm asking for the first, Jankowski & Valamaki. Maybe more. Maybe you ask for Dube instead of Jankowski as well, or you ask for more picks. For me, the tipping point may be Valamaki. If Valamaki is a must have for Ottawa, I'm walking away.

It may seem like too much, but again, you're likely going to have to outbid Winnipeg, Vegas & who knows maybe there's another more silent bidder out there like the Islanders. It's also important to consider that Ottawa will view this as a can't 'F___ this up' deal. They will look to extract everything they can out of the market. They have to. Sure the Senators have taken a public beating (for good reason), but most hockey exec's aren't as dumb, or smart, as they may seem.

Then again, the market is always shifting. The only people who know what the market actually are the GM's and their staff. Who holds sway? The seller, or the bidder?....

Fun to speculate though.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Another thing to consider is, Stone might not play on the second line all the time. It could very well turn out that we see:

Gaudreau Monahan Stone
Tkachuck Backlund Lindholm

True. Plus, injuries almost always happen to key players on teams that go deep in the playoffs (except for Tampa in 2004 dammit).

[dammage79]

They've had enough opportunity to swap Lindholm off the top line. Isn't happening, hasn't happened.

I just don't think Stone is in his wheelhouse, not because he can't do the trade, but because he doesn't get into bidding wars. Other teams have more to offer and they're going to pay.

[spuzzum]

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/17...-trade-duchene

Duchene likely to be traded barring a major shift. He would look great ending up in the Peg. Isn't the Flames biggest need but obviously would be a nice add.

[Mr.Coffee]

If there’s one player I hope Calgary does not get its Matt Duchene.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/17...-trade-duchene

Duchene likely to be traded barring a major shift. He would look great ending up in the Peg. Isn't the Flames biggest need but obviously would be a nice add.

That was my prediction. I think Duchene ends up with the Jets and Stone willl stay in Ottawa

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If there’s one player I hope Calgary does not get its Matt Duchene.

Oh do tell us why?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Oh do tell us why?

I bet it has something to do with the eerie cloud of failure that some believe to follow Duchene from one destination to another.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If there’s one player I hope Calgary does not get its Matt Duchene.

I second this.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I bet it has something to do with the eerie cloud of failure that some believe to follow Duchene from one destination to another.

I find him to be a 'me first' player, personally. And I don't find the lack of success that follows him around to be particularly surprising. Just my opinion.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I bet it has something to do with the eerie cloud of failure that some believe to follow Duchene from one destination to another.

Literally from one destination to the other, two places. Seems kind of crazy to lay the blame at his feet, two isn't much of a pattern.

Unless we're talking voodoo?

[Roof-Daddy]

People felt the same way about Evander Kane this time last year as well.

Talented player with rough edges to his personality, and a cloud of failure following him around everywhere he went. Yet now that he's been slotted into a solid organization, he's a pretty important part of a top 5 NHL team.