Calgarypuck Mafia Game Thread

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Day 2 He does question GGG, and says he would vote for him but at that point GGG has 5 votes on him already.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=442
Of all the talk about winnipegfan setting GGG up for the self ban it was actually devo who was the 6th vote before GGG did his mod reveal.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=480
After the reveal winnipegfan did the unvote and revote, making it look like he was the one who set GGG up.

398, 407, 409, 442. There's almost no post of mine where I don't go after GGG. I vote for him twice - the first time I unvote quickly because I don't want to set up hammer yet (451), the second time is when I go to bed (480). GGGs fake mod reveal is almost 3 hours later (488) - tying that to my vote is a big stretch. Winnipegs unvote and vote is another hour later, and GGG kills himself a full 7 minutes after his vote.

[WinnipegFan]

So my thoughts are a tie is a terrible idea. I know who ever the Oiler is will be getting rid of either devo22 or HG and it will leave Pux and I. To be honest I don't feel that we can handle that responsibility given our screw ups so far with last minute votes.

After watching the dev and HG exchange I am leaning far more towards devo being Flame and HG being the Oiler. HG is spending waaaaaaaaaay to much energy on the defensive, Devo is basically letting him sink himself. Without some sort of convincing I am looking to a vote for HG at this point. Pux, thoughts?

If we try to get a tie we either get a 1/3 chance of winning or we lose.

Scenarios:

f1/f2 vote for f3 and f3/O vote for say...f1. Oiler flips to f3 at the last second to lynch f3 and then night kills f1 or f2. Game over.

f1/f2 vote for O and f3/O vote for say... f1. Tie. O night kills say f1. Leaves f2/f3/O on the last day. They have to do a 2 on 1 vote.
f2/f3 v O win
f2/O v f3 lose
f3/O v f2 lose

That's why I'm not a fan of a tie. If we get it wrong, we're done.

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

So my thoughts are a tie is a terrible idea. I know who ever the Oiler is will be getting rid of either devo22 or HG and it will leave Pux and I. To be honest I don't feel that we can handle that responsibility given our screw ups so far with last minute votes.

After watching the dev and HG exchange I am leaning far more towards devo being Flame and HG being the Oiler. HG is spending waaaaaaaaaay to much energy on the defensive, Devo is basically letting him sink himself. Without some sort of convincing I am looking to a vote for HG at this point. Pux, thoughts?

Shlt!!! I did it again... I thanked when I wanted to quote...

Why are you asking my opinion? For the past 2 days you wanted me out!?

[WinnipegFan]

Damn you said put it behind us. I did, To be honest I think either you or HG are the Oiler. I am watching you two play to try and decide. I still stand by the fact the if we tie the Oiler will remove the stronger player and it’d be you, me, and one other. I don’t care if the Math is better I don’t think we can pull it off. So to me a tie here isn’t ideal. I gave up on trying to vote you out as no one else seems to think that way. HG and devo are pushing against each other so I am watching that. I know most have accepted I am town but I am struggling to find strong enough proof against you as you have a lot of posts but so many are pointless. So I am left looking at HG.

If you're saying I'm the Oiler and we tie: "I" will nightkill the stronger player and then it's me, you and either HG or devo?

As I see it right now, HG and devo are having a back and forth... so if I was Olier, I would get rid of you and then it wouldn't matter who I voted with... unless they could get together and vote me off.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by devo22

398, 407, 409, 442. There's almost no post of mine where I don't go after GGG. I vote for him twice - the first time I unvote quickly because I don't want to set up hammer yet (451), the second time is when I go to bed (480). GGGs fake mod reveal is almost 3 hours later (488) - tying that to my vote is a big stretch. Winnipegs unvote and vote is another hour later, and GGG kills himself a full 7 minutes after his vote.

So vote 1 you’re worried about hammer, but vote 2 you are fine with it because you are going to bed and don’t want to be a no voter (post 480). Why was it so important to have a vote on him? Seems to me like you wanted to have that on the record for down the road.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

So my thoughts are a tie is a terrible idea. I know who ever the Oiler is will be getting rid of either devo22 or HG and it will leave Pux and I. To be honest I don't feel that we can handle that responsibility given our screw ups so far with last minute votes.

After watching the dev and HG exchange I am leaning far more towards devo being Flame and HG being the Oiler. HG is spending waaaaaaaaaay to much energy on the defensive, Devo is basically letting him sink himself. Without some sort of convincing I am looking to a vote for HG at this point. Pux, thoughts?

I’m not being defensive, I’m going back and presenting why I think he is the Oiler. You should be doing the same instead of sitting here waiting for people to do it for you. You could find something that could be important that we missed.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

So vote 1 you’re worried about hammer, but vote 2 you are fine with it because you are going to bed and don’t want to be a no voter (post 480). Why was it so important to have a vote on him? Seems to me like you wanted to have that on the record for down the road.

I didn't want to set up hammer too early because we still had a lot of time. SebC unvoted, so I cast my vote. But crazy_eoj voted too, setting up hammer, so I moved off again. Then nothing happened that would have changed my feelings, so I did vote again for him before going to bed.


The bolded part just makes no sense at all. Are you seriously asking me why I did vote on someone I was suspicious of instead of not voting at all? Isn't voting out mafia members the goal of the game? You're grasping at straws. Are you seriously holding my vote against an Oiler against me? If I were an Oiler and wanted "to have something on the record", I could have just passed on voting for him again, pointed to my intention shown in 442 and said "see, I wanted to vote for him!"

Originally Posted by devo22

IIf I were an Oiler and wanted "to have something on the record", I could have just passed on voting for him again, pointed to my intention shown in 442 and said "see, I wanted to vote for him!"

That's what I did...

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by devo22

I didn't want to set up hammer too early because we still had a lot of time. SebC unvoted, so I cast my vote. But crazy_eoj voted too, setting up hammer, so I moved off again. Then nothing happened that would have changed my feelings, so I did vote again for him before going to bed.


The bolded part just makes no sense at all. Are you seriously asking me why I did vote on someone I was suspicious of instead of not voting at all? Isn't voting out mafia members the goal of the game? You're grasping at straws. Are you seriously holding my vote against an Oiler against me? If I were an Oiler and wanted "to have something on the record", I could have just passed on voting for him again, pointed to my intention shown in 442 and said "see, I wanted to vote for him!"

I'm asking because you made it seem like you needed to have a vote on him, but then on day 4 you were fine with not having a vote down. If I'm not mistaken you were also the first person to mention that mrkajz had not voted for either Bonded or GGG.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm asking because you made it seem like you needed to have a vote on him, but then on day 4 you were fine with not having a vote down. If I'm not mistaken you were also the first person to mention that mrkajz had not voted for either Bonded or GGG.

I didn't need a vote on him, I wanted a vote on him. Simple.


I didn't vote on day 4, true. You didn't vote on day 3. Puxlut didn't vote on day 2.


I did mention that mrkajz didn't vote for either of them. That was the only thing I had against him though and it wasn't enough for me to stay on him. On day 6 I also said not voting for either of them could have a number of reasons.

[Hockeyguy15]

It comes across as odd to me is what I am saying.

Originally Posted by devo22

it's past 11 pm over here, so I'm off to bed soon. Since I don't want to be a no-voter today, I'll put my vote on GGG again. I have mixed thoughts about crazy_eoj too, but I'll stick to my initial feelings. Be careful though, as this sets up hammer.


as for the mod, I'd like to see HG or mrkajz investigated.

You make a point to say you don't want to be a non-voter that day, but it was ok to be a non voter the other day. It's odd timing that the one day you say you don't want to be a non-voter happens to be a day we ban an Oiler.

[devo22]

again - I was convinced on day 2, I wasn't on day 4. It sometimes is that simple.

you're either town barking up the wrong tree, or you're mafia and know exactly what you're doing. I know where I put my money.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by devo22

so here's my thoughts on everyone right now. Maybe it triggers discussion, maybe you think it's a load of bullcrap, maybe it puts heat on me. But if it does, you at least won't try to lynch me without me posting my thoughts first this time

DropIt accused me of flip-flopping a bit these past few days, and he's right. The truth is that with this game being a.) a vanilla set-up and b.) pretty slow without a ton of action, there's really not a lot to base your feelings on. And guess what, impressions can change when you re-read stuff (especially once players are cardflipped). I feel the way this game has been going these past few days has benefitted the last Oiler tremendously. A torn town, slow play, late panic moves. Let the town pick itself apart, right? It needs to change at some point, we need to turn this around.

SCORNFIRE

why he's a Flame: was the deciding vote on Bonded on day 1. I just don't see how that vote would have been a good strategy for mafia on day 1 (unless they thought they still had time to shift blame later that day, but that's risky), voting agulati would have made way more sense. Has been active and made good points along the way I thought.

why he's an Oiler: has sat back today, which makes sense for mafia when the town is split like that. Hasn't been nightkilled despite giving most of us a town feeling. Is a new player and GGG made a point about not killing new players.

WINNIPEGFAN

why he's a Flame: has revenge-voted and picked fights along the way - not exactly an ideal town strategy here, but would be too risky if you want to stay under the radar. As is daring a player to outvote himself, by the way.

why he's an Oiler: unnecessarily set up GGGs suicide on day 2. Is a new player and GGG made a point about not killing new players.

Said it before, I don't like his play a lot but there's obviously a steep learning curve in this game.

MRKAJZ44

why he's a Flame: has been active these past few days, more a driver than a passenger (at least that's the impression I get). There was a past game where I was convinced he was mafia (and he was), this feels different somehow. But that's more gut feeling than anything else.

why he's an Oiler: the only player left who hasn't voted for one of the two Oilers. That can happen for a number of reasons, obviously. Had a heavy hand in setting up a tie on day 5.

PUXLUT

why she's a Flame: voted for Bonded on day 1. Here vote was the 4th on him, setting up a three-way tie with agulati and Scornfire with 3 votes to go. If she's mafia, then that's a really weird play. Voting either agulati or Scornfire in that situation would have been an easy play.

why she's an Oiler: I don't have a whole lot here, to be honest. She seems to sit back and fly under the radar a bit, but that might just be my impression again. Didn't break a tie on day 5, but I can't really hold it against her that she wasn't going to be bullied into a vote.

HOCKEYGUY15

why he's a Flame: was on the GGG train on day 2. Obviously not impossible, especially given he's an experienced player. But after losing an Oiler on day 1, it's a risky play for sure.

why he's an Oiler: very good and experienced player, but hasn't been nightkilled. I suspected this could be a ploy by the remaining Oiler to get him killed, but it was DropIt who raised the question and it's still a legit one. Didn't break a tie on day 5, but I can't really hold it against him that he wasn't going to be bullied into a vote.

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after re-reading all that stuff, I think HG makes sense. He and GGG have been in cahoots before (was it the Genius game?) and on day 1 they almost try too hard to separate from each other. GGG even throws a vote at him. Hockeyguy then asks really early on whether we should give the mod tips on who to investigate. Then their votes sit on different players - but too bad, the Bonded train is in motion and they can't help their mafia buddy without raising suspicions. Knowing that GGG probably can't be saved, they separate even further on day 2. HG as the proxy can't get outed (and they take down the mod with GGGs fake reveal, anyway) and gets town cred. It's a long play, but if they feel GGG is doomed then it's the only one they have in that situation. The nightkills make sense and point to an experienced player as well IMO. The last one is a bit curious, but there's probably worse ideas than offing the one who was close to being lynched anyway. Why give town more info than they need, right?

I'm thinking town in regards to Scornfire and WinnipegFan. Not 100% sure about the others, but HG is my pick at this point.

I want to go back to this from yesterday because this is essentially why I am the Oiler acccording to devo.

I'm the Oiler because GGG and I have worked together before. Not sure how that is relevant to this game. If you can't come up with reasons why I am the Oiler I guess you have to make them up somehow.

We tried to separate from each other on day 1, GGG votes me. I can't really say what he is looking at by trying to separate from one another since he didn't reference anything specific. GGG voted me for "being too helpful", he also voted puxlut for a week reason, maybe puxlut and I are in cahoots too?

My vote sits on a different player than GGG. Oddly enough devo voted the same person after me with similar reasoning to why I voted for them.

Knowing GGG can't be saved I vote for him to get town credit. I was the first person to vote GGG, after I started to become suspicious of him near the end of day 1. I was not a late vote on him after the heat was on him just trying to gain town credit.

The night kills make sense and point to an experienced player. I've already addressed my thoughts on the night kills.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by devo22

again - I was convinced on day 2, I wasn't on day 4. It sometimes is that simple.

you're either town barking up the wrong tree, or you're mafia and know exactly what you're doing. I know where I put my money.

Originally Posted by devo22

my non-vote was primarily down to it being a pretty busy weekend and then no movement while I was on during the Super Bowl. At that point, SebC (who was my prime suspect anyway) was a shoe-in to be lynched and I went to bed.

let's get some discussion going and finish this today.

GGG was also a shoe-in to be lynched and you made it a point to have a vote on him. You also said Seb was your prime suspect then, but now you are saying you weren't convinced?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm the Oiler because GGG and I have worked together before.

not what I said. But the lengths at which you two were separating from each other were odd and, while re-reading, reminded me of your past kabuki theater. Other users have tried to compare behaviors in this game to past games as well.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

If you can't come up with reasons why I am the Oiler I guess you have to make them up somehow.

you should know, you're doing a fine job of that right now with your tunnel vision. Only need to convince one of the other two now to win the game, you should keep going.

[devo22]

since we're at it, why didn't you vote on day 3? You said you'd have no problem hammering, but then didn't. Isn't that pretty much what you're accusing me of on day 4 - having a prime suspect but not voting for him?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by devo22

not what I said. But the lengths at which you two were separating from each other were odd and, while re-reading, reminded me of your past kabuki theater. Other users have tried to compare behaviors in this game to past games as well.

you should know, you're doing a fine job of that right now with your tunnel vision. Only need to convince one of the other two now to win the game, you should keep going.

You said we have worked together before and used it as a point to make me look like an Oiler fan. Oling even said he randomly assigned roles, so GGG and I working together in a previous game means nothing. Trying to use it to connect he and I this game looks like an Oiler move to me. If you want to compare previous gameplay from me then for sure, but saying GGG and I have worked together before isn't that.

Do you know why I am looking at you so hard right now? The night kills in my opinion have been used as a vehicle to implicate me, and I don't believe the other two have the brains to make that happen (no offense intended). Both have done nothing all game, so either they are just not the best players or they are doing a fantastic job as the last Oiler. I'm picking the scenario I think is most likey and investigating what I find.

I'm literally the only person trying to post what I believe to be Oiler activity. If you're not the Oiler then bring something to the table, even if it's against me. Maybe I can explain to you why I said or did it that will make you understand it? I'm bringing up things I notice with you and you are providing me your explaination, that's how we are going to get to the bottom of who the last Oiler is.