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02-11-2019, 10:00 PM

If that happens, I bet HG gets night killed.

bizaro86 · 02-11-2019, 10:05 PM

The great CP goalie debate continued - should Treliving get a new backup? Tempers flared, and Flames fan Scornfire was banned after checking out of the debate.

Votes Scornfire (3): WinnipegFan, puxlut, Hockeyguy15

Votes Hockeyguy15 (2): mrkajz44, devo22

bizaro86 · 02-11-2019, 11:15 PM

Oling asked me to cover for him as he couldn't be here for deadline tonight. He is still running the show, and night actions should sent to him via PM.

Oling_Roachinen · 02-12-2019, 06:46 PM

Flames fans were shocked to wake up to mrkajz44 banned.

It is now Day 7

With 4 posters, it takes 3 votes to ban user prior to deadline. It takes at least 2 votes to ban user at the deadline. A tied vote at deadline results in no banning.

Vote Count:

Votes(0)

Hasn’t Voted (4):
Puxlut, Hockeyguy15, devo22, WinnipegFan

Deadline is Friday, February 15th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

With Valentine's day I decided to give an extra night.

02-12-2019, 07:42 PM

Goddammit.
There goes that theory.
I wishing it would be me that got night killed. This game makes my brain hurt. Moreso than all the other ones I played.
Essentially this is the last day, right? If we vote out a town, they night kill another one of us and then it's 1v1 and game over

Hockeyguy15 · 02-12-2019, 08:19 PM

Not surprised I wasn’t the kill since I assume I will be a large topic of discussion today. I am surprised by the mrkajz kill though since both puxlut and I were looking at him so it would have been another place to hide.

WinnipegFan · 02-12-2019, 09:43 PM

####.

Devo any insight?

I’m not sure what to do here. I Am going to need to reread this stuff. However, if we can’t decide a tie is our best option. Leaves it to 3 with 2 v 1 at the end.

devo22 · 02-13-2019, 04:45 AM

disappointing yet again. I still think HG is who we're looking for, so hoped we'd get the lynch over the line. Not surprised at all that Scornfire flipped town ... too bad he apparently lost interest in the game along the way.

Although I don't like ties, if we're unsure we might as well take one today. We only have one shot left, can't afford another last minute scramble.

devo22 · 02-13-2019, 05:33 AM

I still hate the tie on day 5 so much. Now we either take the worsened odds today 33% for everyone to find the Oiler instead of 50%) or lose another day to get where we could already be.

WinnipegFan · 02-13-2019, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by devo22

disappointing yet again. I still think HG is who we're looking for, so hoped we'd get the lynch over the line. Not surprised at all that Scornfire flipped town ... too bad he apparently lost interest in the game along the way.

Although I don't like ties, if we're unsure we might as well take one today. We only have one shot left, can't afford another last minute scramble.

I agree now. I suspected him after Scorn and I didn’t want to tell him this when he asked as to avoid being night killed. He then orchestrated the flip at the end with the help of Pux and I went along as I did suspect Scorn and didn’t think he’d be helpful today if he wasn’t around. However, from what I’ve read I am comfortable with a vote for HG right now.

Hockeyguy15 · 02-13-2019, 07:31 AM

I orchestrated the flip? You may want to go back and see how that played out.

Putting votes right now is a bad town move, you should be going back a doing your due dilligence on each player. We are pretty much in a lynch or lose situation, acting rash is not the play that will win us the game.

02-13-2019, 08:31 AM

I guess I'm guilty for that flip.

Sorry HG, but I think I should have voted for you, because now I'm doubting myself and would have liked to see your flip.
When we get to final 3 (if we can't agree on a lynch) I bet I get left because I'm the wild card. And the Coiler would likely think he can convince me to vote the other out.
We're down to 4... It would be nice to get a 3-1 vote today.
But I'm just jabbering... was an early morning for me today and I'm still foggy. Back to watching wet people.

Hockeyguy15 · 02-13-2019, 08:40 AM

Night Kills

Bizaro - Post 215 is probably his most relvant post for this.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=215

I'm the only one left from the 4 he said to look at. Something that I found interesting was a little later GGG made post 288 after bizaro caught him on his missed vote count for Scornfire. GGG gets a little defenseive and looks like he tries to turn the discussion away from himself by trying to get bizaro to talk about mrjakz and myself.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=288

Dissentowner - Going back and looking he wanted me investigated. I tend to this this was more because he was in on both the Bonded and GGG votes and was as Flames fan as you could get without being the mod.

Fuzz - All his ideas are dead ends now. Likely banned because he was confirmed Flames fan.

Agulati - Post 718 gut feeling Devo is Flames, suspected me but wasn't sure, thought Puxlut was Flames at the time.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=718

DropIt - Post 886 suspected me and Devo.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=886

Mrkajz - Suspected me and Devo.

You were asking why I wasn't night killed and there is your answer. I am here because the last Oiler wanted me here as their scape goat. Why are you all still here?

Puxlut and WinnipegFan - Haven't really made an effort to go back and bring up old posts. For a bit WinnipegFan was viewed as flying under the radar as an Oiler. Puxlut not much has been directed at you until the other day.

Devo - Other than the vote on me yesterday I don't recall a time that you were really the catalyst on votes. You seemed to sit back and watch a little more and then vote more in relation to the flow of the game.

devo22 · 02-13-2019, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

You were asking why I wasn't night killed and there is your answer. I am here because the last Oiler wanted me here as their scape goat. Why are you all still here?

you tell me. If I had to guess, it's because we've been the ones who have been flip-flopping for a bit these past couple of days (DropIt called me out on it and it's true, while Pux and WF have been involved in more than one last minute deadline scramble). Isn't that what you'd want for an endgame?

As for you, you're simply a great and an experienced player and that raises questions. If I'm mafia, there's simply no way in hell that I'm leaving you alive for an endgame. Pux and I have played a couple of games too, sure - but you're, to borrow GGGs phrase for diss, "a beast". I don't think I'm disrepectful to Pux when I say that we're not in that echelon, and WF is a new player. You do stick out a bit, don't you agree? You can play the scapegoat card if you want, but with today being an endgame of sorts (if we do lynch someone), again, there's no way I'd have kept you around. For a while, sure, in the hope that you're lynched. But for the endgame? Way too risky.

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Devo - Other than the vote on me yesterday I don't recall a time that you were really the catalyst on votes. You seemed to sit back and watch a little more and then vote more in relation to the flow of the game.

I'd like to think I was quite aggressive towards GGG on day 2 (407, 409, 442, 480). Not sure you can call that being a catalyst, but it's not sitting back either. You could argue that it's convenient for me to just pick the day where an Oiler was lynched, but it was in fact the day where I was most convinced and comfortable with my vote. You can spin that in or against my favor as much as you want.

Hockeyguy15 · 02-13-2019, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by devo22

you tell me. If I had to guess, it's because we've been the ones who have been flip-flopping for a bit these past couple of days (DropIt called me out on it and it's true, while Pux and WF have been involved in more than one last minute deadline scramble). Isn't that what you'd want for an endgame?

As for you, you're simply a great and an experienced player and that raises questions. If I'm mafia, there's simply no way in hell that I'm leaving you alive for an endgame. Pux and I have played a couple of games too, sure - but you're, to borrow GGGs phrase for diss, "a beast". I don't think I'm disrepectful to Pux when I say that we're not in that echelon, and WF is a new player. You do stick out a bit, don't you agree? You can play the scapegoat card if you want, but with today being an endgame of sorts (if we do lynch someone), again, there's no way I'd have kept you around. For a while, sure, in the hope that you're lynched. But for the endgame? Way too risky.

I'd like to think I was quite aggressive towards GGG on day 2 (407, 409, 442, 480). Not sure you can call that being a catalyst, but it's not sitting back either. You could argue that it's convenient for me to just pick the day where an Oiler was lynched, but it was in fact the day where I was most convinced and comfortable with my vote. You can spin that in or against my favor as much as you want.

I did tell tell you why I thought you were still here, that was my comment at the end about you not really driving votes. If I was the Oiler my endgame would have very little heat on me at all. I would have kept vets around to disguise my presence, not stick out like a sore thumb. I would have made the night kills point somewhere other than right at me.

devo22 · 02-13-2019, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I did tell tell you why I thought you were still here, that was my comment at the end about you not really driving votes.

yeah got it. Misread that first and thought it was just your observations, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

If I was the Oiler my endgame would have very little heat on me at all. I would have kept vets around to disguise my presence, not stick out like a sore thumb. I would have made the night kills point somewhere other than right at me.

thing is, I don't see how the nightkills really point to you. In fact I haven't necessarily looked at the nightkills as potential leads to a specific person, I've tried to simply understand the motives.

bizaro86 - GGG was going to get heat on day 2 after Bonded flipped mafia, so an experienced player who gives GGG town cred is offed. GGG himself even quoted the post that "exonerates" him

dissentowner - was simply on fire this game and pretty much confirmed town. Makes sense to shut him up

Fuzz - confirmed town. Again, easy decision

agulati - experienced player, most players expected him to be town. So again muddy the water by taking away one who was to be trusted

DropIt - was very close to being lynched anyway. Nightkilling him pretty much saves a bullet without giving town any info

mrkajz44 - again an experienced player. If you're the Oiler, it makes a ton of sense to kill him. Both him and me voted for you, and mrkajz44 did so for the second straight day. It's a numbers game, can't keep us around both ... and I have flip-flopped before, so mrkajz44 is the safer bet

those nightkills just all make sense to me from a strategic point of view. Looking at who those players suspected is additional info, but I haven't looked at those as prime info.

Hockeyguy15 · 02-13-2019, 11:01 AM

I do agree with your comments for bizaro-agulati. DropIt I'm not sure I agree with you though, and I come back to it keeping the spotlight on me. Mrkajz was in the crosshairs that day, but I had a stronger Oiler feeling from DropIt so I said I would rather vote for him. As the remaining Oiler who do you kill that day? If it's me I don't pick the person that I directly pulled the vote to.

Mrkajz - Again puts more focus on me today.

I'm such a "beast" of a player that I've basically left a trail of night kills of people who suspect me, leading up to a final day of pretty much the only speculation being about me.

devo22 · 02-13-2019, 12:27 PM

I guess you can read the nightkills in whatever context that suits you. Obviously you'll tie them to yourself because that suits your defense. I'll look at other aspects because it suits my case against you.

Hockeyguy15 · 02-13-2019, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by devo22

I guess you can read the nightkills in whatever context that suits you. Obviously you'll tie them to yourself because that suits your defense. I'll look at other aspects because it suits my case against you.

I'm not looking for context that suits me, I'm looking at the information available to me and trying to peice together who the last Oiler is.

Hockeyguy15 · 02-13-2019, 01:42 PM

Vote 1:
Votes Scornfire (4): Hockeyguy15, SebC, devo22, bizaro86
Votes agulati (5): Winnipegfan, mrkajz44, Bonded, GGG, crazy_eoj
Votes Bonded (6): dissentowner, agulati, Fuzz, Puxlut, DropIt, Scornfire

I voted Scornfire for not being active, I left my vote on him later and explained in post 183 why I left it on him.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=183

WinnipegFan revenge votes agulati post 156
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=156

Devo voted Scornfire in post 217.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=217

Puxlut votes Bonded in post #309.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=309

As I was going through one post by devo stood out at me. Right before Puxlut voted Bonded he posted this.

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Originally Posted by devo22

in all honesty, agulatis voting behaviour reminds me a bit of what I was doing as mafia. Don't go after people yourself, but parrot other's arguments and latch onto votes. Doesn't mean he's a Greaser and him doing it twice with Diss would seem a bit odd, but generally it'd be a decent strategy for an Oiler to stay under the radar a bit.

I might switch to agulati later, will have to do some re-reading. mrkajz44 brings up some good points, but I'm wary of him - he's mislead me before. Diss strikes me as town right now. Pux has been quiet so far.

It's interesting that his reasoning for being weary of agulati is almost how he has played the game this time. If I'm not mistaken his first vote on winnipegfan on day 1 was the only time that he hasn't joined onto a poster who already has votes.

Day 1 Scornfire.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=217
Day 2 He does question GGG, and says he would vote for him but at that point GGG has 5 votes on him already.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=442
Of all the talk about winnipegfan setting GGG up for the self ban it was actually devo who was the 6th vote before GGG did his mod reveal.
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=480
After the reveal winnipegfan did the unvote and revote, making it look like he was the one who set GGG up.