2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im of the opinion, in regards to the Flames at this point, that there is no 2nd/3rd/4th lines anymore.

Obviously there is a clear cut #1 trio that Peters now doesn't hesitate to put up against the other teams most prolific line, but after that its mix and match depending on who is and isnt feeling it and who is available because of injuries.

Yeah there are a couple guys who will have icetime limited so referring to them as "4th" liners is fine, but otherwise its where ever you are deserving to be.

So in regards to a guy like Zucarello, yes he may slot in originally on a bottom line, but he checks so many boxes (but not one of the main ones imo/seperate discussion) that he will find a spot equal to how he is playing and what he brings on any particular night.

Its a very enviable position to have.

Well, you can call it what you want but the game hasn't changed that much.

Some guys play 20+ minutes, some guys play less than 10.

If you're trading for a player who is more than a point per game right now, top 25 in points averaging 20 minutes, it would be dumb to play him 13 minutes a night which is what flames forward #7 is playing. Hathaway plays 9:59 on the season because he's on the fourth line, whether Peters is 'rolling' four lines or not.

Rolling four lines is great, it means your team doesn't suck. But Lindholm plays almost 2.5 extra minutes a game compared to backlund because he is on line 1.

It's just dumb to suggest the flames are going to trade the assets it would cost to bring in a point per game player so he can play wing to Bennett as a centre at 13 minutes a game.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

But Lindholm plays almost 2.5 extra minutes a game compared to backlund because he is on line 1.

Lindholm sees nine seconds more than Backlund 5on5 per game.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Phil Kessel on the “3rd line” was the dumbest thing I’d ever seen! So stupid that they even got awarded the Stanley Cup!

Not to take a piss, but success comes in long series from being able to roll lines. It’s not about 1st/2nd/3rd/4th - it’s about being able to push the pace and generate chances shift after shift after shift so that you can wear down the opposition and gain favourable match-ups due to the fact that you just have that many capable lines.

Phil Kessel hasn't played less than 14 minutes per game 5-5 in a decade. When he was playing 'on the third line' in the playoffs he was still seeing tkachuk level minutes.

Calgary's 3rd line is playing about 13 total minutes per game right now.

I'm just saying, if you pay the price to grab a 20minite per night forward, you're going to play them close to that number. You're definitely not going to play frolik ahead of him, and you're sure as #### not going to move Jankowski from the center ice position so that Bennett can be this new guys center.

Some things are just dumb right on their surface, I don't understand the push back.

[LWcrowfoot]

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[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Lindholm sees nine seconds more than Backlund 5on5 per game.

Absolutely. And if the flames acquired a point per game player to play on backlunds line he'd probably eclipse Lindholm 5-5. Which by the way is exactly what I am advocating the flames do.

But there are 3-4 minutes separating Lindholm/backlund from Bennett/jankowski (3rd line icetime).

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

you're sure as #### not going to move Jankowski from the center ice position so that Bennett can be this new guys center.
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I get that you think you're the smartest guy around, but what exactly has Jankowski done, five on five, at center that makes him not worth moving from the center position?

He's been great killing penalties (which wouldn't change). He picked up a goal playing with Backlund 4v4.

But he has done ****-all 5 on 5. The last time he had a good month 5v5 was when Jaromir Jagr was with the team, and Bennett was still by far the better player on the line that month.

The Flames may be committed to Jankowski at center, but that doesn't mean it's been an overwhelming success. His 5v5 goal differential of -7 is third worst on the team. His puck distribution is arguably even worse than Bennett and that's what people knock Bennett for. He has the worst shot differentials of any center on this team at -6% xGF rel and his single best skill - scoring goals - should not be negatively affected by playing wing - that would be an asinine assertion.


Heck you wanna talk about Bennett being a failure as a center?
20 year old Bennett was more productive 5v5 in 2016-17 at 1.22P/60 playing glued to Troy Brouwer than Jankowski (1.14P/60) has been with Bennett on his left (1.39P/60) and James Neal on his right. Bennett had more success 5v5 two years ago playing with Brouwer, Versteeg, Chiasson Engelland, Bartkowski, Jokipakka, etc than Jankowski has playing with puckmovers and skilles guys like Neal, Bennett, Hamonic, Hanifin, Kylington, Andersson.

Maybe, just maybe, Bennett is a better center than Jankowski and Jankowski is a better finisher than Bennett who could probably help this team more with less responsibility 5v5 rather than pretending everything is A-OK when he is on the ice. Because it hasn't been. Our 3rd line is our achilles heal and while Neal is part of the problem, it's pretty clear Jankowski and Ryan have been the weak link all year on that line.

Getting a skilled playmaker to play with Bennett and Neal could actually give us a 3rd line that (gasp) outscores its opponent 5 on 5. This team is having a great year despite Jankowski at center, not because of it. Jankowski could someday make Frolik expendable if we try him on the wing. But he hasn't held down the fort at 3C. I think Bennett could not only do better but would make a struggling LWer like Mangiapane or Dube finally find some success, if we don't go affer a big fish like Zuccarello (which we should if we think we have a shot at the cup).

[CN10]

Originally Posted by Poster

Re low interest

You don’t think other teams would want him for the same reasons the Flames would want him?

Or

That the Flames would have low interest for the same reasons other teams have low interest.


If you were one of the worst teams in the league with no cap issues, would you trade Frolik for a Czarnik type and draft pick ?

I do think other teams would look at Nyquist and think the Flames should look at bringing him in for a playoff run if the cost is appropriate (i.e. Czarnik & a pick). What question I was proposing is whether the Flames would have a realistic shot at acquiring him without losing their first round pick, or if there would be other teams out there that would perceive him to be a better fit (i.e. could look at re-signing him next year) who would give up more than the Flames.

[sureLoss]

Brooks say there haven't been any contract negotiations between Hayes and Rangers a month before the trade deadline. Speculates that the team is aggressively shopping Hayes and wants more than just a 1st round pick for him but that could depend on if Duchene, Stone, Schenn, etc. are available.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/the-ke...need-to-solve/

[TheScorpion]

Kevin Hayes would be an incredibly intriguing addition, but rentals are a dangerous business. He's been a name floated around for years.

[goflamesgo18]

Id give up a 1st and Phillips for Hayes.

[EldrickOnIce]

Obviously Gaudreau knows Hayes well.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1089929433811742727

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Id give up a 1st and Phillips for Hayes.

I wouldn't.

[Heavy Jack]

Hayes is about the only guy I’d at least consider trying in place of Monahan - not because Monahan deserves to be pushed down or removed but because in theory it would spread and promote scoring through the lineup. Hayes is a mediocre faceoff guy who is under 50% for his career so having him with a guy like Lindholm who could shoulder his weak side draws is tantalizing to think about when you consider what Monahan would do for the 2nd line.

Gaudreau - Hayes - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Monahan - Neal/Frolik
Bennett - Backlund - Neal/Frolik
Hathaway - Jankowski - Ryan
Czarnik, Dube

Insanely deep forward group there.

1st + prospect isn’t too steep especially if we can extend him.

Edit: I have no desire to see Phillips traded, he is a player for sure IMO.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Id give up a 1st and Phillips for Hayes.

That’s an overpayment

[PugnaciousIntern]

It all depends on whether a contract extension had been negotiated. And I don’t imagine we will have enough space for Hayes next year regardless. So it’s a no from me

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I get that you think you're the smartest guy around, but what exactly has Jankowski done, five on five, at center that makes him not worth moving from the center position?

He's been great killing penalties (which wouldn't change). He picked up a goal playing with Backlund 4v4.

But he has done ****-all 5 on 5. The last time he had a good month 5v5 was when Jaromir Jagr was with the team, and Bennett was still by far the better player on the line that month.

The Flames may be committed to Jankowski at center, but that doesn't mean it's been an overwhelming success. His 5v5 goal differential of -7 is third worst on the team. His puck distribution is arguably even worse than Bennett and that's what people knock Bennett for. He has the worst shot differentials of any center on this team at -6% xGF rel and his single best skill - scoring goals - should not be negatively affected by playing wing - that would be an asinine assertion.


Heck you wanna talk about Bennett being a failure as a center?
20 year old Bennett was more productive 5v5 in 2016-17 at 1.22P/60 playing glued to Troy Brouwer than Jankowski (1.14P/60) has been with Bennett on his left (1.39P/60) and James Neal on his right. Bennett had more success 5v5 two years ago playing with Brouwer, Versteeg, Chiasson Engelland, Bartkowski, Jokipakka, etc than Jankowski has playing with puckmovers and skilles guys like Neal, Bennett, Hamonic, Hanifin, Kylington, Andersson.

Maybe, just maybe, Bennett is a better center than Jankowski and Jankowski is a better finisher than Bennett who could probably help this team more with less responsibility 5v5 rather than pretending everything is A-OK when he is on the ice. Because it hasn't been. Our 3rd line is our achilles heal and while Neal is part of the problem, it's pretty clear Jankowski and Ryan have been the weak link all year on that line.

Getting a skilled playmaker to play with Bennett and Neal could actually give us a 3rd line that (gasp) outscores its opponent 5 on 5. This team is having a great year despite Jankowski at center, not because of it. Jankowski could someday make Frolik expendable if we try him on the wing. But he hasn't held down the fort at 3C. I think Bennett could not only do better but would make a struggling LWer like Mangiapane or Dube finally find some success, if we don't go affer a big fish like Zuccarello (which we should if we think we have a shot at the cup).

The problem is that Janko is really, really good at PKing at the center position. So they leave him at center.

But yeah, he gets his head kicked in during 5v5.

[dissentowner]

I would do a prospect like eatbread straight up to rent Hayes because I don't see a spot for him here in the future. No to the first. No to Phillips.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

That’s an overpayment

I disagree

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I wouldn't.

I agree. I'm not sure that I would give up a 1st for Hayes as a rental. To me, I don't think your going to get bang for your buck trading a first to get a player for the third line, unless there is some term there. And for everyone saying that Hayes and Johnny have a connection, that's great.... But they won't be playing together. If Backland and Monahan both go down with injury, we are going to want that first round pick next year because it's going to be alot earlier then it looks right now. We aren't looking for a center for the first line, and we already have a guy on the third line making over 5 million. While he would be a great guy to have, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.