Calgarypuck Mafia Game Thread

[WinnipegFan]

Hey Townies,

Sorry I am in class all day. I will read and post my thoughts this evening. Nice to see an oiler scumbag in the dirt, but we lost a fellow townie to those punks. I also read a bit and saw my name pop up as a non frequent poster, I am doing my best but life is busy and it seems very oilersish to jump all over it over and over again. Talk soon townies.

Not impressed.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

Anyway, now we have GGG right out of the gates directing traffic, keeping away from outright exonerating anyone who isn't already consensus Flames Fan in most of our eyes while keeping the cloud over Agulati and I

I was in no real danger of being pursued today regardless of which way I voted, 2 of the people who voted for me were extremely early and without much reasoning. I could have easily picked Agulati without raising any suspicions if he flips flames fan, the suspicion would've been passed to DropIt who tied the vote needlessly by avoiding voting for agulati. So why are you trying to push this narrative? It's especially interesting to me since this is essentially the way I WOULD infact be thinking to work it if I were a troll and had a newbie on my team who wasn't doing great, it's interesting that the thought crosses your mind so quickly.

Who did you get consensus with to determine these consensus flames fans?. It’s and interesting word to use when we can’t communicate during the night phase And outside of Fuzz I don’t think their was anything near consensus on anyone else pre-flip. I did identify what I feel are the obvious town.

I find identifying town almost as useful as identifying scum. The problem is if you identify a towny incorrectly and use that townread all your logic going forward you lynch a lot of townies before figuring out that your assumption is wrong. So when posting list of town reads you want to ensure that the possibilities where it would make sense that that player is scum are thought about.

I don’t think I was keeping a shadow over you and Agulati. You fall into the not worth looking at today bin but don’t town clear yet. That’s a pretty strong lean town read in my opinion. I don’t think a reasonable town player can clear you guys. There is still possibilities that Diss is scum with a scum bus Proxy Troll. Discounting these scum plays leads to scum wins. These things need to be thought about though not acted upon.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

Hey Townies,

Sorry I am in class all day. I will read and post my thoughts this evening. Nice to see an oiler scumbag in the dirt, but we lost a fellow townie to those punks. I also read a bit and saw my name pop up as a non frequent poster, I am doing my best but life is busy and it seems very oilersish to jump all over it over and over again. Talk soon townies.

So beyond the lack of posting this has the common newscum mistake of lamenting town losses so as to appear part of the team.

In for 5 minutes before I have to take the kidlet swimming.
Just a quick general list for myself that I've been working on:
People that are "on my radar": Scorn, HG, GGG, Mrk.
People sort of on my radar? Ag, Seb, devo
Not enough info or not actively looking at this moment: Fuzz, WF, diss

Some of you I can't put my finger on why and others because of reasons already listed. I'll try and do a follow up post when I get back.

[mrkajz44]

Well - quite a bit of information to work with now. Where to start?

First, I agree with Devo that none of the people who voted for Bonded are Oilers. I had first thought that maybe one of them would be in their to hide, but with the vote so close, it just doesn't make sense for any of them to be on him. The votes were locked in far in advance of the deadline so the Oilers would have had time to organize and come off Bonded and try to get someone else banned.

Second, I think my theory about the Winnipeg pile-on early is now completely wrong. Three of the people that were part of that voted Bonded in the end, leaving only Devo. I had ruled out Devo initially as he was the first vote on Winnipeg. So basically the whole theory just makes no sense given the card flips in Day 1 and Night 1.

Third - the bizaro ban during the night phase. Trying to get inside the Oilers' head to decide why they banned him. Was it because he was on to something and they wanted to silence him? Or just get out a vet player that wasn't on the right track (a little reverse psychology). Personally, I think the Oilers might have been in a bit of a panic mode and wanted to get rid of someone who might have beat the drum the next day for another Maifa player.

Bizaro's last post before the night phase said he was thinking agulati was a good target. Prior to that, he was a bit on the HG train, but seemed less confident. He mentions Scorn as well a bit in the later stages of the day. Both Scorn and agulati were on the Bonded vote, so I rule them out. That leaves HG - prior to the discussion today (which obviously is happening after the bizaro ban), no one else was really looking at HG as a possible Oiler.

Finally - something of GGG has felt off for me from the start. Yes - his style has been consistent where he drives the conversation and really bears down on certain people, but something just feels different this time. It seems others have the same thoughts. SebC bringing up the fact that GGG told him his vote was wrong "reveals" that GGG knows more than than the rest of us does resonate with me. When I was mafia, I remember making a few slip-ups where I shouldn't have known something but it always seemed to be overlooked. Sometime the smallest slip-up can mean big things, especially when the Oilers know more than the Flames.

So my summary - I am looking at GGG or HG today. With how they seem to be facing off with each other, I suspect one is Flames and one is Oilers. The bizaro banning leans my vote to HG for now, but GGG is high on my radar.

[mrkajz44]

Vote: Hockeyguy15

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am still busy, Saturdays are for most people however once I am unbusy I will go over everything and where my thoughts are now.

I just got off work myself and will also be reading through the thread again

Otherwise, great job sniffing out an Oiler day 1. I thought the kill of Biz was interesting seeing as how they could have played of Diss' theory of the early alliance, I think the idea was to frame Agulati?

I'll post more this evening after hve read through

In the past games, weren't killed players allowed to do a "death post"?

Oh yeah... I forgot Drop it was in this game too. I put him in the: "he hasn't contributed enough for me to get a read" column.

[Fuzz]

I've not had much time to read through today's posts carefully, and am in not much shape to do so(mmm wine), but I've been leaning GGG due to the end of day 1. He just seemed a bit to unhappy with the current vote and wanted to shift to Puxlut without a lot of justification. I'm going to throw a vote for now, but am open to alternate theories. Any reason not to vote GGG for now? Anyone have strong feelings against anyone else?


Tomorrow is another busy day for me until late afternoon, so I probably won't have a lot of time for back and forth.

[Fuzz]

Vote: GGG

[WinnipegFan]

Alright so GGG thinks my lamentations are fake, it would take some serious Oiler dirtbag to call a guy out for lamenting the loss of a fellow. He gets my vote.

[WinnipegFan]

Vote: GGG

[Scornfire]

WF, to be clear, that's your only reasoning for voting GGG?

[WinnipegFan]

No I also read everything and felt compelled by a few of the previous arguments but I am an emotional being and trust my gut. My last vote was similar in nature.

[dissentowner]

Ok, I have been going through posts again. One thing is consistent throughout this game so far and that is GGG is muddying the waters and causing chaos. Post #247 he says "I think good Oiler play in this particular split is to lynch the new players and night kill the strong the players." Last night bizaro was night killed by the Greasers, a player that GGG has referred to as a strong experienced player, and he was. The player with the strongest reputation as being a very strong player is GGG so why would they not night kill him instead? That would make the most sense. He is the most active poster but he has also been all over the place, sowing seeds of suspicion on multiple CPers but never on Bonded. When I got the Bonded train rolling he immediately tries to squash it in post #260, trying to make it look like agulati and I were working as Oilers all day to come up with my Bonded theory (post#261) which I came up with on my own. Post #363 he is not happy with the way things are going, Bonded is about to get the boot and tries to get a last minute Pux lynch rolling. Day 2 he has been scrambling and still trying to sow seeds of doubt. Hell, in post #423 he says "There is still possibilities that Diss is scum with a scum bus Proxy Troll." Like really? I started the ball rolling on Bonded and you think I would lead the charge against an Oiler fan if I was one? I think you are an Oiler fan but even if I am wrong and you flip town at this point you have created so much random confusion I don't feel like you are helping us CPers anyhow.

[dissentowner]

Vote: GGG

[mrkajz44]

Weekends are always slower with these games - maybe just a suggestion going forward that we don't have a full phase over one weekend? It seems tough for most to be active consistently.

I'm still more convinced on HG due to the bizaro banning but I'll go back on GGG since that's were most seem to be at. Just seems odd that the GGG train got going and no one has really made the push against it. If he's Oiler wouldn't his buddy be pushing hard for someone else? I guess the voting has seemed "too easy". Maybe it's just the weekend posting though...

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Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Weekends are always slower with these games - maybe just a suggestion going forward that we don't have a full phase over one weekend? It seems tough for most to be active consistently.

I'm still more convinced on HG due to the bizaro banning but I'll go back on GGG since that's were most seem to be at. Just seems odd that the GGG train got going and no one has really made the push against it. If he's Oiler wouldn't his buddy be pushing hard for someone else? I guess the voting has seemed "too easy". Maybe it's just the weekend posting though...

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We're at 5 right now. If you and I vote, we could get hammer. But I would prefer not to.... I think it's a bit quick. Anyone have anything to say? (looking at you GGG)

You tried to make a genuine compliment into something treacherous at the beginning. And I have no idea why the focus on trying to get me out close to the deadline (or any other time for that matter). And why the "like" on my "Not impressed" post. Any other game, you'd be ripping me a new one for a fluff post and accusing me of trying to pad my votes.

With Fuzz and Diss both voting for you, I would be be more than willing to jump on this train.

[GGG]

Diss is on fire this game,

I suppose I should put this out there but I have been playing somewhat selfishly though long term I believe it was in the towns interest. Based on my play last game I was going to get night killed on night 1.

I needed to have the scum believe that I could be lynched. So I posted some pretty odd theories though I think they are defensible. I think the don’t lynch new players day one is a pretty good general rule and would be great for discussion outside the game but within the game it was going to generate heat on me. That was fine, then I started doing things like ignoring Scorn in my posts but including Bonded. This one finally got me called out. This was going okay but I still figured I was getting night killed so I pushed for the Pux move which still didn’t attract any heat.

Then we had the card flip and Diss was right and I was ####ed. I think the reason I was left while Biz was killed is pretty obvious. I am the easy lynch target today. It would have been a waste of a kill. I’m a little confused as to why they didn’t kill someone on the Bonded wagon. If Bonded flipped town and I survived the night my defense of him wouldn’t have looked bad and the other parts of my suspicious play would likely have been easily answered

So I think if you compare my work in my posts today you see a lot more of the GGG from the last game than you do on my first day. Solid analysis with post links and prodding and logic.

My only real defense to show that the above is true is that you should ask yourself if I would play that badly as scum. A badly coached bonded has some ackward posts, an argument of don’t vote new players when I know that we always lynch quiet or new players day 1 so instead of gently guiding onto one of them to protect Bonded I protect all of the easiest to lynch players.

Any way it’s possible that my play day 1 and the bonded flip means you should lynch me becuase there will always be doubt in my play. That said my analysis of the bonded train is solid so before we hit Lylo it should be looked at to ensure the assumption that the train is clean is right.

Sorry guys.