2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Brassard for Ryan?

While Ryan is a right shot and great F/O guy getting out of that contract wouldn’t be the worst thing. Flames could add but Brassard could be a good C for Neal

Ryan isn't a perfect player by any means, but he has a niche role. Getting out of that contact makes sense only if you have a plan to fill that role next year and beyond. There is no internal option that is doing that right now, if we look at handedness. I mean we could go back to a winger taking late game defensive zone draws on the right side...

[Ped]

Everyone's been blinded by Tavares and Matthews, et al, but the Leafs have really been top-heavy.


Kadri has struggled (to be expected as Tavares has pushed him down) and Marleau has really dropped off a cliff as late. Lindholm has 1 goal.



As an aside, I hate how Babcock manages his bottom half of the lineup. Justin Holl has played in 2 games this year. If you don't think he's good enough for your lineup, then they should send them down. They did the same thing last year with Leivo and with Corrado previously.


I know Leaf fans are immediately going to to defensive, saying if they were good enough they would play and blah blah blah, but these guys aren't going to get any better not playing, and I just think it's a terrible way to treat them. Plus, if you don't think they're good enough for your team, then why would you want to keep them off waivers so bad?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I really don't know why shooting percentage matters much at all.

Because players experiencing a high shooting percentage in a particular year (based on their previous stats) are likely to regress the following year. It’s almost always unsustainable.

Paying multiple years based on that is generally foolhardy.



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[sureLoss]

Dorion is on his way to have face to face meeting with Duchene's agent.

https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/...d-matt-duchene

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Dorion is on his way to have face to face meeting with Duchene's agent.

https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/...d-matt-duchene

I think the minimum it will take for Duchene to stay in Ottawa is 9M/yr

[1qqaaz]

Between Panarin, Duchene, Stone, Pavelski, Skinner, Lee, Silfverberg, Eberle, Nelson, Hayes, Karlsson, Gardiner, Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Lehner, and others, this is looking like a very strong and young free agency.

It's looking like it might be the best free agency class in recent history. So many players drafted in 2009 or 2010. Many will probably re-sign, but still.

[Harry Lime]

Adding Stone to this Calgary team would make them scarily good. Adding Panarin would make them unstoppable. Everyone else would never be able to live up to the usual UFA overpayment. To be honest, if Stone gets 8M+ or Panarin 9M+, they might have trouble living up to that salary as well.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I really don't know why shooting percentage matters much at all. I'm not basing my opinion on their shooting percentage. I'm basing it on their play. I think 2014-2015 Bouma was a good player who brought an equivalent value to the team that Bennett is providing today. I'm not insulting Bennett's ancestors here. I just thought Bouma was good that year (for what he was). I'm sure if you went back in 2014 people thought relatively highly of him as well.

I think you're confusing the argument because you think Bouma was some scrub who sucked. I disagree, he was solid that year. A perfect bottom six player.

Bouma was a warrior, lead the team in short handed ice-time, fought when needed, came out with energy every shift. Willing to sacrifice the body for the team. It was a bonus that he produced with Backlund. Which if you really feel the need to talk about the shooting percentage, playing in a top six role where Backlund is feeding you pucks could account highly for it.

A good fourth line energy shift is one that starts in your own zone, gets the puck out, shoots the puck on net and gets a whistle so the first line can come out refreshed in the offensive zone. For most of his career, that would have been Bouma's goal (of course actual goals also would have been a huge bonus). But there's a difference between the way the fourth line and second line play. A second line will be looking for that past more often, the perfect shot and opportunity. Better player, better passers, different role, different stats.

But that's besides the point. I just think Bouma was a solid bottom six player who was able to play on the second line with Backlund that year. I think Bennett is a solid bottom six player who is able to play on the second line with Backlund.

You keep saying Bennett is a top 7 player because he's producing at that ~210 range. Cool. Bouma was 158th that year. I mean, production, play, he had a great year for a bottom six player which earned him 6.6M. It's not insulting to compare Bennett to him that year.

That's a long way of saying you like Bouma.

Stats say Bennett is more consistent, has had Bouma's good season a few times, is better away from the puck, and is more valuable up the lineup.

Shooting percentage is a huge issue, and given the way his career went it was a huge issue. Not sure why you're spinning that it doesn't matter. Teams that evaluate players based on one season where everything goes right overpay.

That's Bouma in a nutshell.

Bennett may not be a true top six forward for sure, and I'm not arguing that. But he's better money spent going forward then Bouma by a long shot.

Honestly not sure why you keep pressing this.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He's 9th on the flames forwards in ppg, in the last ~25 games. Hea scoring less than jankowski but playing a minute more per game, including on the PP. He just spent 25 games with a guy on pace to score 93 points. When he wasn't playing with that player he was in pace for 18 points.

It's the star player effect. Bennett has literally seen his offensive production double since playing with tkachuk.

Sure, with cap inflation maybe I'm off and he's a 2 million dollar player, but the flames don't have space for a 3 million dollar Bennett.

So are you honestly thinking Bennett is the only player in the league that plays better when he gets more ice time and plays with better players?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Between Panarin, Duchene, Stone, Pavelski, Skinner, Lee, Silfverberg, Eberle, Nelson, Hayes, Karlsson, Gardiner, Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Lehner, and others, this is looking like a very strong and young free agency.

It's looking like it might be the best free agency class in recent history. So many players drafted in 2009 or 2010. Many will probably re-sign, but still.

You know there are so many from that draft class because most of the kids drafted then are 27/28 now right? Next year it’ll be a bunch from 10/11, then 11/12, etc.

But yeah, I would look at the draft class and think anything of it right now. 6 months out. At least a third of those guys I’d be shocked to see make FA. Half would still surprise me a lot, especially if you start considering trades will happen to new teams some of them are likely to sign with.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's a long way of saying you like Bouma.

Yeah, that's pretty much the point. I liked Bouma in 2014-2015, like we all did.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Stats say Bennett is more consistent, has had Bouma's good season a few times, is better away from the puck, and is more valuable up the lineup.

Well stats just don't back that up. Bennett replicated (or beat) Bouma's career season once. Four years ago. But I really don't care, because all I'm saying is that Bouma was good in 2014-2015. As far as bottom six players go, he was extremely well thought of. Just like Bennett is today.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Shooting percentage is a huge issue, and given the way his career went it was a huge issue. Not sure why you're spinning that it doesn't matter. Teams that evaluate players based on one season where everything goes right overpay.

I think we all knew what Bouma was at the time. Probably very few expected him to continue to produce at a 40 point pace because of his shooting percentage. You're acting like we couldn't evaluate at the time and there's been some great epiphany in retrospect. That's not the case, we saw Bouma as a bottom six guy who provided energy, came to play, was a warrior on the ice. Some crazy posters went so far as to allude to him being a potential core-type player. Like this here crazy guy:

Originally Posted by Bingo

What a great story to see Lance Bouma moving from bottom three to bottom six. Two points shy of his career best in points in a season, and a real up and down the ice contributor.

We talk a lot about future core players, but Bouma is a huge part of the dressing room and "feel" of the Flames.

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm sure the Flames brass always has a list of untouchables, players to build around, guys you won't deal, etc.

However with this being Treliving's first year in Calgary I'm sure there are players that have surprised him both good and bad.

Backlund has been a rock since returning, completely changing the second line and top six for the team.

Bouma has been unbelievable potentially making it easier to move Glencross

Maybe if he didn't party so much he wouldn't have regressed, but at the time a lot of the same stuff we are saying about Bennett we were saying about Bouma. We just have short memories and remember him as the empty husk buyout he became. But I think you're selling his 2014-2015 season short if you don't think that many saw him as a very good bottom six player. I really don't think I'm insulting Bennett comparing the two. But I see Bennett providing the same type of energy, warrior type attributes that we were hoping to get from Bouma when the Flames signed him. It didn't work out for Bouma, sure, but I think the 2.2M (~2.5M inflated) is a good comparable for Bennett.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It is largely a useless stat as it is completely dependent on your line mates, who you play against and whether you start in the offensive or defensive zones.

A bad plus minus doesn't prove a player cannot play defense.

Every stat in hockey is dependent on your line-mates, who you play against, and whether you start in the offensive or defensive zones.

CORSI, Fenwick, scoring chances, scoring chances against, high-danger scoring chances...

Goals, assists, points...

It's a team game. Who you are on the ice with, and against, matters. Plus / minus is no more flawed in this regard than anything else - they are ALL flawed.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by David Struch

True, highly unlikely, Brayden Point or David Pastrnak get dealt.

Besides Taylor Hall, Mark Stone, and William Nylander possibly being available, I wonder if
Aleksander Barkov or Sebastian Aho are thinking of moving on.

Hall Barkov and Aho are absolutely not going anywhere lol

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

Hall Barkov and Aho are absolutely not going anywhere lol

Yeah, Barkov was just named captain this season and is performing well. I am pretty sure that Florida has him in their long term plans.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, Barkov was just named captain this season and is performing well. I am pretty sure that Florida has him in their long term plans.

Yup Florida is gonna build around him, he is theirJohnny. He plays the most minutes per game of all Forwards. McDavid is 2nd.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Between Panarin, Duchene, Stone, Pavelski, Skinner, Lee, Silfverberg, Eberle, Nelson, Hayes, Karlsson, Gardiner, Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Lehner, and others, this is looking like a very strong and young free agency.

It's looking like it might be the best free agency class in recent history. So many players drafted in 2009 or 2010. Many will probably re-sign, but still.

If Rittich is legit just go for the best bargain bin backup available. No need for an expensive big name guy.

For whatever reason I always thought Hayes would end up here somehow. Wouldn't break the bank. Obviously I'd like Stone or Duchene but I think we'll be a little handcuffed with signings.

Stone or Duchene as a this season rental on the other hand we could swing. Maybe if whichever one comes over fits in he'll want to re-up for the chance to win at not a ridiculous number.

[Mr.Coffee]

Is it just me or does something seem super off with Duchene? Seems like a dbag. I get he’s good, but if Ottawa traded him that could be similar to Colorado where it’s addition by subtraction depending on the deal.

Colorado- instantly better as soon as he’s gone.
Joe Sakic- what- the classiest guy in the history of hockey and he doesn’t want you around?
Rumours of dressing room issues when Mackinnon arrived on scene when Duchene was still there
Weird Phoenix Uber video of him being chirpy

Just seems like a lotta smoke. Personality-wise.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Is it just me or does something seem super off with Duchene? Seems like a dbag. I get he’s good, but if Ottawa traded him that could be similar to Colorado where it’s addition by subtraction depending on the deal.

Colorado- instantly better as soon as he’s gone.
Joe Sakic- what- the classiest guy in the history of hockey and he doesn’t want you around?
Rumours of dressing room issues when Mackinnon arrived on scene when Duchene was still there
Weird Phoenix Uber video of him being chirpy

Just seems like a lotta smoke. Personality-wise.

It’s the first half of his last name.

[Vinny01]

I caught the tail end of the Treliving interview on Prime time sports yesterday. He talked about concerns with chemistry (when making a big move) it makes me think there is little chance the Flmea go for a big roster altering rental. I think it will be depth moves which is fine as our team is very balanced at the top and we could use a 3rd pairing D and bottom 6 forward.

If this is truly a buyers market I could see a scenario where we go after a big fish if the prices are discounted. Stone would be the rental of choice no doubt.

[Erick Estrada]

Flames have amassed the 2nd most points in the league to date. Providing there are no injuries or major slumps in the 2nd half of the season I fail to see any reason to make any changes to what is working very well. One of the worst trades Darryl Sutter ever made was moving Ference and Kobasew for Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau. He sent out two of the more popular players in the locker room for a guy that didn't want to be there long term in Stuart and the team wasn't the same after.