2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

We are not picking up anyone that is going to require a $7M+ extension imo.

If the Flames can send back salary in a deal where they land Schenn that could work but they will need to move Frolik, Stone, and a cap hit like Brodie before free agency starts.

I would think the Flames will target a pending UFA, it will be a true rental with the player gone after the playoffs are over...

Player like Stone would be to expensive asset wise for the flames.

[GreenLantern2814]

If we're bringing in a Senator, I'd much rather see Mark Stone than Matt Duchene. Both as a rental and as someone to potentially re sign.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If we're bringing in a Senator, I'd much rather see Mark Stone than Matt Duchene. Both as a rental and as someone to potentially re sign.

How can we fit in a guy that will command $8M per?

I don’t like the Flames trading high picks and assets for rentals.

I am okay with going after rentals but with 4 guys in the top 20 scoring and 5 ppg players I think they should target some cheap depth

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How can we fit in a guy that will command $8M per?

I don’t like the Flames trading high picks and assets for rentals.

I am okay with going after rentals but with 4 guys in the top 20 scoring and 5 ppg players I think they should target some cheap depth

I dunno. I'm not paid enough to figure that out.

But with four guys in top-20 scoring and no guarantees that the Gio of the next three seasons will be the Norris dominant Gio he is now, go get Mark Stone. Even if you have no intention of resigning him, it's worth the cost of a late 1st + whatever if it gets you a top 6 of:

Johnny-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Stone

The 3M line has the ability to go head to head with Bergeron, MacKinnon, Kucherov, whoever, on any given night.

A TBS line would be better. Stone is a possession monster, great defensively, and when we're down 1 in the 3rd, Peters gets to send this over the boards.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm-Tkachuk-Stone-Gio

You have to think Tkachuk-Backlund-Stone would also excel at closing games out too.

No more half measures.

[Vinny01]

Stone leaves in the summer and we pay big assets to get him we better win the cup

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Stone leaves in the summer and we pay big assets to get him we better win the cup

Yes, they better. That's partially why I think they should. You get Stone, and it's a message to the team. Go win the Stanley Cup.

They might/will get another shot, but they also might not get a better one than this. The west is pretty weak - Nashville is the only scary team in the central, and one of San Jose/Vegas is not getting out of round one.

In the east, Pittsburgh is having a down year, Washington is Washington, and Tampa looks like they're about to waltz into June.

Go beat Tampa.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I dunno. I'm not paid enough to figure that out.

But with four guys in top-20 scoring and no guarantees that the Gio of the next three seasons will be the Norris dominant Gio he is now, go get Mark Stone. Even if you have no intention of resigning him, it's worth the cost of a late 1st + whatever if it gets you a top 6 of:

Johnny-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Stone

The 3M line has the ability to go head to head with Bergeron, MacKinnon, Kucherov, whoever, on any given night.

A TBS line would be better. Stone is a possession monster, great defensively, and when we're down 1 in the 3rd, Peters gets to send this over the boards.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm-Tkachuk-Stone-Gio

You have to think Tkachuk-Backlund-Stone would also excel at closing games out too.

No more half measures.

Stone will cost a lot more that a late +. The + you won't like. Everyone will bid on him.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Stone will cost a lot more that a late +. The + you won't like. Everyone will bid on him.

I'll like whatever gets them a Stanley Cup who do they want? Bennett? Dube? Kylington?

Fine. None of those players should be anywhere near the ice in the last minute of a playoff game.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'll like whatever gets them a Stanley Cup who do they want? Bennett? Dube? Kylington?

Fine. None of those players should be anywhere near the ice in the last minute of a playoff game.

I'll give you Dube from that list. He's 15 pounds of muscle mass away from fully knowing what we got. Bennett, Kylington though? No chance we move them. I know full well the disappointment folks have in Bennett but playoffs is where his game shines IMO. You want him on the ice late in the game. He can take the bumps and make the hits and sacrifices. Kylington is a part of the future 4 d men the Flames are going roll over when Gio and Brodies time comes.

IMO, Kylington, Valimaki, Andersson and Hanifin are untouchable.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dammage79

IMO, Kylington, Valimaki, Andersson and Hanifin are untouchable.

Are they? One of the bolded is gonna be on the third pairing, then.

I'd suggest Kylington would be a prime trade candidate, although I'd rather they didn't do that.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Stone will cost a lot more that a late +. The + you won't like. Everyone will bid on him.

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'll give you Dube from that list. He's 15 pounds of muscle mass away from fully knowing what we got. Bennett, Kylington though? No chance we move them. I know full well the disappointment folks have in Bennett but playoffs is where his game shines IMO. You want him on the ice late in the game. He can take the bumps and make the hits and sacrifices. Kylington is a part of the future 4 d men the Flames are going roll over when Gio and Brodies time comes.

IMO, Kylington, Valimaki, Andersson and Hanifin are untouchable.

They shouldn't be - they're going to lose one of them to Seattle anyway, so they may as well turn the guy they have the least amount of confidence in into Mark Stone.

And I say that as a huge Kylington fan.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'll like whatever gets them a Stanley Cup who do they want? Bennett? Dube? Kylington?

Fine. None of those players should be anywhere near the ice in the last minute of a playoff game.

Thing is, getting the stud at the trade deadline doesn't always = cup. In fact, it hardly ever does. See Iginla, Jarome. Or Hossa in his first couple attempts.

Usually the best ones are those that fill lesser roles - Gaborik, Vermette, Timmonen, Handzus, Kaberle, Peverly. Now, TBF, Vermette cost a first rounder +. Kaberle did too. And Peverly cost a good young player (Wheeler).
Gaborik and Timmonen were cheaper.

I guess you could call Carter a top tier name that went at the deadline and helped win a cup.

[868904]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'll give you Dube from that list. He's 15 pounds of muscle mass away from fully knowing what we got. Bennett, Kylington though? No chance we move them. I know full well the disappointment folks have in Bennett but playoffs is where his game shines IMO. You want him on the ice late in the game. He can take the bumps and make the hits and sacrifices. Kylington is a part of the future 4 d men the Flames are going roll over when Gio and Brodies time comes.

IMO, Kylington, Valimaki, Andersson and Hanifin are untouchable.

You will lose one of those guys in the expansion draft.

I actually think it makes a lot of sense to trade Hanifin in the Summer. The return could be massive (i'd target a top 5 or 10 pick and additional picks or young asset that is expansion draft exempt), you get a lot of cap space, and you protect against expansion loss cause then you protect the 3 young and cheaper defensemen.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Are they? One of the bolded is gonna be on the third pairing, then.

I'd suggest Kylington would be a prime trade candidate, although I'd rather they didn't do that.

Not forever. If we are just talking about making a trade this season I would most likely insist at all three are still off limits. In another year or two the Flames blue line will look quite different.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 868904

You will lose one of those guys in the expansion draft...

The next expansion draft is still two years away. There is no rush to make these decisions today.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Thing is, getting the stud at the trade deadline doesn't always = cup. In fact, it hardly ever does. See Iginla, Jarome. Or Hossa in his first couple attempts.

Usually the best ones are those that fill lesser roles - Gaborik, Vermette, Timmonen, Handzus, Kaberle, Peverly. Now, TBF, Vermette cost a first rounder +. Kaberle did too. And Peverly cost a good young player (Wheeler).
Gaborik and Timmonen were cheaper.

I guess you could call Carter a top tier name that went at the deadline and helped win a cup.

Hossa went to the Finals with both the Penguins and Red Wings before settling in Chicago, and very nearly tied the game up for Pittsburgh at the last second.

Iginla and the Penguins went to the conference finals.

We have enough of the Vermette level players; we need another stud.

Whatever the cost, in a battle of wits between Pierre Dorion and Brad Treliving, one guy for sure doesn't have an immunity to iocaine.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yes, they better. That's partially why I think they should. You get Stone, and it's a message to the team. Go win the Stanley Cup.

They might/will get another shot, but they also might not get a better one than this. The west is pretty weak - Nashville is the only scary team in the central, and one of San Jose/Vegas is not getting out of round one.

In the east, Pittsburgh is having a down year, Washington is Washington, and Tampa looks like they're about to waltz into June.

Go beat Tampa.

Is the first year they are contending the year to do it? I don’t think so myself. We have a poor prospect pool so if the 1st moves it should be for someone that has some term left and not a $7+M cap hit

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by 868904

You will lose one of those guys in the expansion draft.

I actually think it makes a lot of sense to trade Hanifin in the Summer. The return could be massive (i'd target a top 5 or 10 pick and additional picks or young asset that is expansion draft exempt), you get a lot of cap space, and you protect against expansion loss cause then you protect the 3 young and cheaper defensemen.

Hanifin should not be traded. He should play the next 15 years of his career here. Guy is an absolute stud.

[sa226]

Im torn.

This is the best this team has been for a looonggg time.

With the 1st round draft pick being at the low end, im not opposed to it being in play.

The acquisition cost of an impact player, the likes of Schenn, Duchesne etc, would make me uncomfortable for a pure rental. (There is no way to re-sign any of those guy with our current salary structure)

If you like how the lines are settling in. (Big line, 3M. Janko, Neal, Bennett. Ryan, Hathaway and whoever else) I would look to see if you can basically upgrade Frolik. Is there another decent 2 way RW out there with more offense that can be acquired with non roster assets, or by packaging Frolik with a high draft pick? That's what I would be willing to do.

As well, we should be looking for additional depth on the blueline. If it gets to the point that Prout has to play regular minutes in the playoffs, we are hooped.

[Kybb79]

Bring Paul Byron back.