2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

2 first rounders would cripple this team. The Flames are already out of prospects. They need to draft for sustainable success. All the Best teams consistently draft well. How often does a cap deadline acquisition actually work?

Especially with an expansion draft coming up. Need that steady stream of higher end picks.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

2 first rounders would cripple this team. The Flames are already out of prospects. They need to draft for sustainable success. All the Best teams consistently draft well. How often does a cap deadline acquisition actually work?

Just like how trading 2 firsts and 4 second rounders crippled the team?

The flames moved and 2nd, 3rd and 5th two years ago for two guys who can't make the roster. Maybe don't make those trades and instead get players who are actually good.

Pay a little more to get a lot more.

[Bleeding Red]

The flames have a 90 point player on an elc playing with two guys on a ~40 point pace.

This is a big problem IMO. One that I think BT felt that Neal or Lindholm would fix, but Lindholm has the 1st line chemestry no one wants to fiddle with (even if it means better secondary scoring when/if 13 & 23 go cold), and Neal has just stunk.

The Flames are hitting so many peaks - most XX pt. players at XX game in the NHL, better than average special teams, etc.

This is the time. Get a stud scoring/passing winger. Get that backup. Get that 3/4 D-man. Use all your picks if you have to.

Remember, going "all in" once meant trading away a future HoF 60 goal winger for a #3/4 d-man and a backup. No Rob Ramage would have meant A LOT of Ric Nattress. Hello Stanley Cup.

[Classic_Sniper]

If the Flames are still 1st in the west by the TDL and have a bit of wiggle room, I think Treliving absolutely has to explore the market. The pick would likely be in the 27-31 range which in essence, is equivalent to an early 2nd rounder. There's also a lot of teams already out of it so, I could see our late 1st nabbing a very good player. Looking at the UFA class, there's a lot of elite talent in there, so if adding a piece like that could help take this team to the finals, than I'd personally do it.

There's no guarantee that next year will go as well, so you gotta strike while the iron is hot. The amateur scouts also did a great job last season of getting value out of the late picks, so that helps insulate the cupboard a bit.

[Jiri Hrdina]

This year's first is more on the table now then a few months ago because of where the Flames are tracking standings wise. Right now we can assume it will be pick in the late 20s/early 30s.
There are a good players to find there, but at much lower probability.
Indeed the Flames prospect base is not good now but that pick, whether we have it or not, won't change that much either way.
That being said, I anticipate a pretty quiet deadline in part because this team, with all of its existing components is really humming. Do you risk disruption to that?

[DiNaMo]

Thoughts on trading the first and change for Howard and Nyquist??

Nyquist is currently at 37 points in 45 games. I could see him being a good player maker on the 2nd line.

Only issue is I can imagine the "and change" part of the deal being a decent chunk of change...

Edit: He has a NTC, although last year of his contract

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This year's first is more on the table now then a few months ago because of where the Flames are tracking standings wise. Right now we can assume it will be pick in the late 20s/early 30s.
There are a good players to find there, but at much lower probability.
Indeed the Flames prospect base is not good now but that pick, whether we have it or not, won't change that much either way.
That being said, I anticipate a pretty quiet deadline in part because this team, with all of its existing components is really humming. Do you risk disruption to that?

That Colorado game should give management a lot to consider.

The top line getting the right matchup is key to success. The goal right now has to be maintaining home ice advantage in the playoffs through to the final if possible.

I also don't understand the notion of the flames prospect woes.

They've graduated valimaki, Andersson and likely kylington this year, and when tkachuk signs, 5 of the top 6 forward spots will be under contract for 3+ years. If you count Neal, that's all 6 top 6 spots signed with no trades.

Top 4 signed for this year and next on defense.

The roster is set. The rebuild is over. Move picks now for players, aquire picks back at the draft

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This year's first is more on the table now then a few months ago because of where the Flames are tracking standings wise. Right now we can assume it will be pick in the late 20s/early 30s.
There are a good players to find there, but at much lower probability.
Indeed the Flames prospect base is not good now but that pick, whether we have it or not, won't change that much either way.
That being said, I anticipate a pretty quiet deadline in part because this team, with all of its existing components is really humming. Do you risk disruption to that?

Only if a big injury occurs in the forward group, especially in the top 6. Otherwise, I would be more than happy to keep our first round pick. Treliving knows what he is doing, so I do not doubt if we do make a trade it's for the better.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No. The core of this team is locked in for several years. It’s silly to think that this year is the Flames last chance to make a run. It’s their best chance in many years, but it is also the first of likely several years yet to come.


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Exactly.

It is so hard to win even for those that go "all in".

We see the franchises that are dumpster fires season after season like the oilers.

We see the franchises that go all in when they see a small window and mortgage the future.

But i'm hoping we have a management team that consistently keeps us in the upper 1/3 of teams. Keep draft picks, cycle in young guys, move out the pricey ferlands, stumble on a star once in a while, and stay competitive over a long period of time. Not easy, but it should be the goal of an owner.

[ah123]

I hope Treliving does not go and acquire “big name” players. Most of the time, big name deadline acquisition have had a disruptive effect on the team’s results. There have been very few big name acquisitions which have made a significant contribution to their new team during the playoffs

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

If the Flames are still 1st in the west by the TDL and have a bit of wiggle room,

There's no guarantee that next year will go as well, so you gotta strike while the iron is hot.

The Flames current available Deadline Cap Space is $5,314,243.

Absolutely agree with the bolded... we have to go for it this year, we are on fire and have the puck luck going our way!

[Flash Walken]

Moving a 1st for stastny helped get the jets to the third round last year.

A 1st for Ryan McDonough is a trade still paying off for Tampa.

The common denominator for first rounders not working out via trade is them being traded for bad players.

There happens to be an abundance of good players available this year. Use a 1st round pick to get a good player.

[LWcrowfoot]

Get Good Player
Don't get Bad Player

Check.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by David Struch

The Flames current available Deadline Cap Space is $5,314,243.

Absolutely agree with the bolded... we have to go for it this year, we are on fire and have the puck luck going our way!

Yeah but that doesn't include Matthew Tkachuk's performance bonuses.

Tkachuk is going to reach all his performance bonuses of $850k.

If the Flames don't have at least $850k cap space at the end of the season, the outstanding balance will roll over to next season, which is probably worse considering some of the RFAs they need to re-sign.

If the Flames don't want Tkachuk's bonus to roll over they can actually add only $1.5 mil in cap space at the deadline by my quick calculation

[CalgaryFan1988]

Reading about the current group, reminds me a lot of the Flames pre- Ference/Kobasew trade. I hope they don't tinker with the chemistry too much, as I've read a lot about how tight they are, which the value of shouldn't go unrecognized.

[MrMike]

The Flames current available Deadline Cap Space is $5,314,243.

Does that mean we can take a players contract worth that, or would his salary be pro-rated for the rest of the season?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Reading about the current group, reminds me a lot of the Flames pre- Ference/Kobasew trade. I hope they don't tinker with the chemistry too much, as I've read a lot about how tight they are, which the value of shouldn't go unrecognized.

I don't think they'd be removing anyone off of the current roster, picks and prospects (I don't think trading Mangiapanne would upset the chemistry)

[FlamesAddiction]

If the Ducks are sellers, a guy like Silfverberg would be a good and very affordable rental.

The Ducks sit one point out of the last wildcard spot, so they may not be sellers this year though.

[Kybb79]

I would rather keep picks and stock the cupboards then overpay for free agents. This team will only keep getting better for many years if they do it that way.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

A 1st for Ryan McDonough is a trade still paying off for Tampa.

No one in here is arguing against this type of trade.

But I’m not comfortable with a rental for futures.