2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have mentioned before that I think Brodie could be a player that the Flames sell high on next year when they will have some big decisions to make with him and Hamonic. Our big 4 forwards are 21-25 and we have 4 very solid Dmen 22 and younger. Treliving has already made the decision to pay Giordano, Backlund and Neal +$5M for contracts in their 30’s. I think he will do that with Brodie or Hamonic but not both. With Hamonic wanting to be in the West, right shot, physical, and being the ultimate team and community guy they are going to keep him. He also was an expensive acquisition and a guy Treliving brought in.

Brodie has rebuilt his value and he looks like a legit top pairing Dman again. We can thank our captain as he proved with Hamilton he can make his D partners look like elite players. I could see the Flames being able to get a pick in the 10-20 range in the draft this summer and maybe a little more?

If they have the idea that they will move Brodie or Hamonic this summer for a 1st then I do think they should be considering moving their own 1st this season to bolster their lineup. I would prefer that player having some term left on their contract and the other team taking back Frolik’s contract. If the Flames take on a player with term like Schenn and his $5.125 cap hit they would gain some cap relief bundling Frolik’s $4.3M in that deal and then moving Brodie’s $4.65M for picks at the draft. They load up for this season but avoid losing a core piece for nothing and still stocking the prospect cupboard with a higher pick than we would have with our own first.

I think next summer is the time to deal Brodie as well, not because I don't like him or want him, but it's a huge asset management issue, as well as cap management.

It all depends how Andersson and Kylington continue to develop as well.

In Andersson we have a young offensive Dman with top pairing potential and right shot. In Kylington we have essentially a younger version of Brodie potentially. Between the two of them they should be able to duke it out for Brodie's spot on the top pairing, let them share duties up there until one cements himself in that spot.

If Brodie keeps this up this season, he will have some serious value in the off season. Could return us some really strong futures and/or a solid young top 6 forward.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have mentioned before that I think Brodie could be a player that the Flames sell high on next year when they will have some big decisions to make with him and Hamonic. Our big 4 forwards are 21-25 and we have 4 very solid Dmen 22 and younger. Treliving has already made the decision to pay Giordano, Backlund and Neal +$5M for contracts in their 30’s. I think he will do that with Brodie or Hamonic but not both. With Hamonic wanting to be in the West, right shot, physical, and being the ultimate team and community guy they are going to keep him. He also was an expensive acquisition and a guy Treliving brought in.

Brodie has rebuilt his value and he looks like a legit top pairing Dman again. We can thank our captain as he proved with Hamilton he can make his D partners look like elite players. I could see the Flames being able to get a pick in the 10-20 range in the draft this summer and maybe a little more?

If they have the idea that they will move Brodie or Hamonic this summer for a 1st then I do think they should be considering moving their own 1st this season to bolster their lineup. I would prefer that player having some term left on their contract and the other team taking back Frolik’s contract. If the Flames take on a player with term like Schenn and his $5.125 cap hit they would gain some cap relief bundling Frolik’s $4.3M in that deal and then moving Brodie’s $4.65M for picks at the draft. They load up for this season but avoid losing a core piece for nothing and still stocking the prospect cupboard with a higher pick than we would have with our own first.

The problem with hoping a team will take back a player with term when trading for a desirable player (that many teams are bidding for), is that they likely don’t need to.

The reason for trading a Schenn type player is to get a 1st round pick + and pick up cap space to presumably use in the UFA market.

You would have too offer quite a bit more to get them to take on a player with term.


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[Mass_nerder]

Dougie trade rumors
"Dougie Hamilton is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. At worst, he’s in a class with Drew Doughty, Victor Hedman, Erik Karlsson, Morgan Rielly, Kris Letang and Marc Giordano."

Maybe I just have selective memory, but I don't think any of us were saying Dougie was the "best defenseman in the NHL," and I didn't think anyone outside of the Flames thought that much of him either. Now the Leafs might acquire him after a very underwhelming first half, and he's suddenly a top 6 defenseman?
Toronto fans/media are crazy.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Dougie trade rumors
"Dougie Hamilton is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. At worst, he’s in a class with Drew Doughty, Victor Hedman, Erik Karlsson, Morgan Rielly, Kris Letang and Marc Giordano."

Maybe I just have selective memory, but I don't think any of us were saying Dougie was the "best defenseman in the NHL," and I didn't think anyone outside of the Flames thought that much of him either. Now the Leafs might acquire him after a very underwhelming first half, and he's suddenly a top 6 defenseman?
Toronto fans/media are crazy.

Well I hope the Leafs, Oilers or Canucks pay a tonne for the best defenseman in the NHL.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Dougie trade rumors
"Dougie Hamilton is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. At worst, he’s in a class with Drew Doughty, Victor Hedman, Erik Karlsson, Morgan Rielly, Kris Letang and Marc Giordano."

Maybe I just have selective memory, but I don't think any of us were saying Dougie was the "best defenseman in the NHL," and I didn't think anyone outside of the Flames thought that much of him either. Now the Leafs might acquire him after a very underwhelming first half, and he's suddenly a top 6 defenseman?
Toronto fans/media are crazy.

Man that is.....ummmm.....yeah....no.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Dougie trade rumors
"Dougie Hamilton is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL."

Originally Posted by transplant99

Man that is.....ummmm.....yeah....no.

Ah, but Dougie Hamilton is arguably the best defenceman in the NHL – in the same way that the Earth is arguably flat. There is hardly any idea so loony that someone out there won't believe it.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Dougie trade rumors
"Dougie Hamilton is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. At worst, he’s in a class with Drew Doughty, Victor Hedman, Erik Karlsson, Morgan Rielly, Kris Letang and Marc Giordano."

Maybe I just have selective memory, but I don't think any of us were saying Dougie was the "best defenseman in the NHL," and I didn't think anyone outside of the Flames thought that much of him either. Now the Leafs might acquire him after a very underwhelming first half, and he's suddenly a top 6 defenseman?
Toronto fans/media are crazy.

Boy, the Toronto hype machine is running a bit fast. Usually we have to wait until after a player throws on a Leafs jersey before they become coronated as "the best ____ in the NHL."

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Dougie trade rumors
"Dougie Hamilton is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. At worst, he’s in a class with Drew Doughty, Victor Hedman, Erik Karlsson, Morgan Rielly, Kris Letang and Marc Giordano."

Maybe I just have selective memory, but I don't think any of us were saying Dougie was the "best defenseman in the NHL," and I didn't think anyone outside of the Flames thought that much of him either. Now the Leafs might acquire him after a very underwhelming first half, and he's suddenly a top 6 defenseman?
Toronto fans/media are crazy.

Hahah who is James Tanner? arguably the best defenseman?? I'll argue that.
Couldn't even read the rest of the article after that statement

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Dougie trade rumors
"Dougie Hamilton is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. At worst, he’s in a class with Drew Doughty, Victor Hedman, Erik Karlsson, Morgan Rielly, Kris Letang and Marc Giordano."

Maybe I just have selective memory, but I don't think any of us were saying Dougie was the "best defenseman in the NHL," and I didn't think anyone outside of the Flames thought that much of him either. Now the Leafs might acquire him after a very underwhelming first half, and he's suddenly a top 6 defenseman?
Toronto fans/media are crazy.

Holy #### is that nonsense.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Dougie trade rumors
"Dougie Hamilton is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. At worst, he’s in a class with Drew Doughty, Victor Hedman, Erik Karlsson, Morgan Rielly, Kris Letang and Marc Giordano."

Maybe I just have selective memory, but I don't think any of us were saying Dougie was the "best defenseman in the NHL," and I didn't think anyone outside of the Flames thought that much of him either. Now the Leafs might acquire him after a very underwhelming first half, and he's suddenly a top 6 defenseman?
Toronto fans/media are crazy.

LOL that's hilarious.... i don't even know if he's in the top four in Carolina.

Good DMan. At his best i think you could put him in the top 25... but way too inconsistent offensively and spotty defensively to be considered 'elite'

[Kasi]

Tbh and to leafs fans credit most of the posts in the comments there call the article idiotic.

[Enoch Root]

That take is what happens when you put too much stock in corsi.

The object of the game is to outscore your opposition. So scoring goals (and defending against goals being scored against you) are very valuable skills. The problem, in analyzing goals, is that there aren't very many of them.

Which brings us to corsi, and all its variants. The argument is that shooting stats act as a proxy for goals, while providing enough data to facilitate more useful analysis.

But the problem is that shots ARE NOT a proxy for goals. Scoring is hard. Defending WELL is hard. Shooting stats don't capture those facts..

Thus, shooting stats lead us to conclusions like: Hamilton is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL.

Stats groupies love him. Fans who actually watch him every night get very frustrated by him. GMs keep trading him away.

That article is laughably bad. First he calls Hamilton 'arguably the best defenseman in the NHL', then he offers a garbage package for him. If Hamilton is half as good as you think he is, the offer for him has to include a key player: Nylander (or better), and build from there.

[dissentowner]

I think the cost for the Leafs if they want Hamilton will be Kadri. That package the article mentions is a bunch of magic beans and is not getting it done. Carolina wants a proven offensive player.

[Shazam]

Of course he is the best d-man in the league, he will soon be a Leaf!

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think the cost for the Leafs if they want Hamilton will be Kadri. That package the article mentions is a bunch of magic beans and is not getting it done. Carolina wants a proven offensive player.

Who is cost controlled.

[killer_carlson]

Hamilton will fetch more than Kadri.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Hamilton will fetch more than Kadri.

I am not so sure he will. Kadri is not exactly chopped liver either.

[Moneyhands23]

Man would it suck to get traded from the Leafs to Carolina right now...

[Gaskal]

Lol oh my god...

If I’m in charge, I make the trade. We’re talking about a player two years younger than Drew Doughty, who makes half the salary and is every bit as good. This wouldn’t just put the Leafs over the top, it would make them among the best teams ever assembled in the history of the NHL.

I'm just imagining him typing up this article all like

[dino7c]

click bait article...don't give him what he wants