Edmonton is No Good VI: Chia•den•freu•de

[Locke]

Originally Posted by edslunch

This is probably the wrong thread to start this discussion but starting a new serious thread on the Oilers would feel dirty.... I’m interested in opinions on how one might turn the Oilers around. Start by assuming all the management is replaced by competent people, are there any set of moves that could fix this mess? I would have no idea where to start but it seems like a great challenge for an armchair GM.

I weighed in on it a little bit here:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=5123

But the short answer is: They are well and truly boned for the foreseeable future.

This is a hot mess with no quick-fix, some of the most expensive tickets in the league and a consistently terrible product of the highest order.

The only thing the Oilers really have going for them is the abject stupidity of their own fanbase.

Their team has sucked long and sucked hard for the 11 of the last 12 years while selling the fans a bill of goods about building 'something special.'

Their outlier season?



In the meantime a bunch of idiots have been paid millions, bilked the City and taxpayers out of Millions more not even including astronomical increases to already expensive ticket prices during a local economic implosion.

And the team has nothing. No prospects to speak of, far too many bad contracts and too many passengers.

Their fans are just going to have to continue to drink the Kool-Aid because they little to no other choice. And thats what that Organization has been banking on for over a decade.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by edslunch

This is probably the wrong thread to start this discussion but starting a new serious thread on the Oilers would feel dirty.... I’m interested in opinions on how one might turn the Oilers around. Start by assuming all the management is replaced by competent people, are there any set of moves that could fix this mess? I would have no idea where to start but it seems like a great challenge for an armchair GM.

Honest answer is they need their own version of the Hamilton, Ferland, Fox for Lindholm, Hanifin trade.

Something around Draisaitl + for 2 cheaper young core pieces.

That is to start and not any easy trade to make. Lots of risk involved.

But if they can get similar results as Treliving did, then maybe they can avoid rebuild number whatever they are on.

But there is so much work to do.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Trade McDavid?

Someone please grab that Gretzky crying picture and swap the face for McDavid.

Come on now, he wouldn't be crying.

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[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

I just want to say (again), after watching part of last night's game - my wife's idea, no less! - that I LOVE the title of this thread...it makes me chuckle every time I see it: Chia•den•freu•de!

So, thanks for that once more topfiverecords.

Why me?

It was Reggie Dunlop that came up with it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Honest answer is they need their own version of the Hamilton, Ferland, Fox for Lindholm, Hanifin trade.

Something around Draisaitl + for 2 cheaper young core pieces.

That is to start and not any easy trade to make. Lots of risk involved.

But if they can get similar results as Treliving did, then maybe they can avoid rebuild number whatever they are on.

But there is so much work to do.

Even something like that is just pissing into the wind.

That trade shuffled the roster around, but it was some finishing touches and roster movement and contract control and flexibility.

I mean, whats the Oilers laundry-list of needs even at these days?

- Starting Goaltender
- Backup Goaltender?

- Top 4 Defenceman (x2? More?)

- Top 6 Wingers (x3?)

- Bottom 6 players (x6?)

And that doesnt even include their needs to ditch players like Russel, Lucic, Sekera, etc.

I cant even imagine what it would take to re-work that lineup.

Without even slight exaggeration I can say that any expansion team has a significant advantage over the Edmonton Oilers because they dont have as much crap to get rid of before they can even start building.

Vegas proved it and Seattle will likely hammer that painful lesson home.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Just curious, is there a team that:

A. He would accept a trade to?
B. Has wealth of talent that they can part with and remain a contender?
C. Has players willing to move from a contender to Edmonton?
D. Has cap room to absorb a $12 mill season hit?

I just see way too many factors here to have a decent trade take place. The only way McDavid is traded is if he goes public with a demand and/or doesn’t report. Even then Katz probably would veto.

They’ll never trade McDavid, so they best burn it down and rebuild around him and hope 4 seasons from now things start to turn around with patience.

McDavid will then move on after this contract is done. Only way I see it playing out.

The two anything close to realistic probabilities in my mind would be:
1. Rangers
2. Flyers
(of course, not sure about the contender component mentioned)

It would take a Lindros-like return, perhaps more given this salary cap era and trading straight up money not a thing anymore (at least on the books).

Just reminded via this article that, interestingly enough, NYR nearly landed Lindros over the Flyers in the deal with the Nordiques.

https://thehockeywriters.com/eric-li...ade-revisited/

*If ya really want to dig into the nuts and bolts of the Lindros trade happenings:
https://www.nhl.com/news/eric-lindro...story/c-643345

So what would a hypothetical return from NYR or Flyers look like?

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Locke

Even something like that is just pissing into the wind.

That trade shuffled the roster around, but it was some finishing touches and roster movement and contract control and flexibility.

I mean, whats the Oilers laundry-list of needs even at these days?

- Starting Goaltender
- Backup Goaltender?

- Top 4 Defenceman (x2? More?)

- Top 6 Wingers (x3?)

- Bottom 6 players (x6?)

And that doesnt even include their needs to ditch players like Russel, Lucic, Sekera, etc.

I cant even imagine what it would take to re-work that lineup.

Without even slight exaggeration I can say that any expansion team has a significant advantage over the Edmonton Oilers because they dont have as much crap to get rid of before they can even start building.

Vegas proved it and Seattle will likely hammer that painful lesson home.

Interesting... so if the oilers could trade their entire current roster, minors roster, rights to unsigned draft picks and current selection of upcoming draft picks for the rights to the Seattle expansion draft and Seattles upcoming draft picks, should they do it?

That's a tough question, but the most likely they should. Assuming of course that they also dump their entire coaching staff, management, upper management and scouting staff at the same time. And probably the training staff, front office people, popcorn sellers and if they still have those stupid cheer leaders, then them too. Oh, and they definitely need to get rid of their in house medical team.

[WilliPlett]

I am shocked how well the Oilers are doing. Their fan base should be tickled pink that hey are not in last place (yet). Really, look at the line up and all the players that can't be traded or have zero trade value. I think Draisaitl will be traded for some cheaper options but with his cap, what value will not be overwhelming either. It will be an interesting few months.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Interesting... so if the oilers could trade their entire current roster, minors roster, rights to unsigned draft picks and current selection of upcoming draft picks for the rights to the Seattle expansion draft and Seattles upcoming draft picks, should they do it?

That's a tough question, but the most likely they should. Assuming of course that they also dump their entire coaching staff, management, upper management and scouting staff at the same time. And probably the training staff, front office people, popcorn sellers and if they still have those stupid cheer leaders, then them too. Oh, and they definitely need to get rid of their in house medical team.

In a hot second.

It would be like that old IKEA commercial where the woman is screaming to her husband to 'Start the Car!'

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Player grade by fanboy David Staples after last nights game


https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...l-before-kings

That’s Bruce McCurdy. He’s no David Staples, but still a fairly worthy Oilers apologist in his own right.


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Robbob

The problem is, whoever they draft this year in the top 10, that player will make the team and things will go as well as they have for all the other draftees. There is nothing that can be done to save that franchise other than katz going to prison so the NHL can do a complete purge of the organization.

I keep saying this.



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[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Locke

Even something like that is just pissing into the wind.

That trade shuffled the roster around, but it was some finishing touches and roster movement and contract control and flexibility.

Yes I said that would be the start. There is so much work to do if they want to keep McDavid and not go into another rebuitld. But a deal where they turn Draisaitl into multiple core pieces is the first step into righting the ship before starting over again.

It may or not work out, but that is the only path I see where someone competent could try and save the current team.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yes I said that would be the start. There is so much work to do if they want to keep McDavid and not go into another rebuitld. But a deal where they turn Draisaitl into multiple core pieces is the first step into righting the ship before starting over again.

It may or not work out, but that is the only path I see where someone competent could try and save the current team.

And thats fair. I just dont see how they can avoid another rebuild barring some excellent drafting which is like expecting rain in Antarctica and compliance buyouts.

Too many immovable objects on that team.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Honest answer is they need their own version of the Hamilton, Ferland, Fox for Lindholm, Hanifin trade.

Something around Draisaitl + for 2 cheaper young core pieces.

Thats what they needed to do with Hall 3 years ago, and Eberle the year after.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think the oilers trying to rebuild is stupid.

McWinNow isnt waiting 2-4 years for the team to be competitive so the rebuild involves trading McDavid. So if you are going to go Nuclear you might as well trade this years and next years 1st and 2nds at the draft and anything in the craphole of a prospect pool on players to help now. You try for two years and then go to rebuild 4.0

The only difference is that you are taking one last shot with McJesus before you trade him. With 6 years left on his contract I don’t think you can get fair value for him. The trade you make today for him is the same as two years from now.

Also the picks made after the 1st round today won’t help before McTradeRequest demands out.

Seven more years. This is the first year of McDollar’s eight-year deal.



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[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Honest answer is they need their own version of the Hamilton, Ferland, Fox for Lindholm, Hanifin trade.

Something around Draisaitl + for 2 cheaper young core pieces.

That is to start and not any easy trade to make. Lots of risk involved.

But if they can get similar results as Treliving did, then maybe they can avoid rebuild number whatever they are on.

But there is so much work to do.

Even if they were to find two young core pieces there is a strong losing culture.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Locke

Without even slight exaggeration I can say that any expansion team has a significant advantage over the Edmonton Oilers because they dont have as much crap to get rid of before they can even start building.

Vegas proved it and Seattle will likely hammer that painful lesson home.

Though i doubt Seattle will do as well as Vegas did because Florida can only be so stupid once.

The sad reality for Edmonton is they would be better off giving away the best player in the league if they could get rid of their entire team and draft from everyone elses scraps.

It's sad on a team like Chicago and LA where they've just aged out after being competitive for a decade with multiple cups.

It's downright pathetic when you're in a perma rebuild like Edmonton.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Locke

Even something like that is just pissing into the wind.

That trade shuffled the roster around, but it was some finishing touches and roster movement and contract control and flexibility.

I mean, whats the Oilers laundry-list of needs even at these days?

- Starting Goaltender
- Backup Goaltender?

- Top 4 Defenceman (x2? More?)

- Top 6 Wingers (x3?)

- Bottom 6 players (x6?)

And that doesnt even include their needs to ditch players like Russel, Lucic, Sekera, etc.

I cant even imagine what it would take to re-work that lineup.

Without even slight exaggeration I can say that any expansion team has a significant advantage over the Edmonton Oilers because they dont have as much crap to get rid of before they can even start building.

Vegas proved it and Seattle will likely hammer that painful lesson home.

Yeah it is quite bad. They can't even hire someone who can build a structured plan that doesn't include working with someone from the current management team. It would appear that the people in place just are not, and never have been qualified. I can't recall which player it was talking about how management doesn't even talk to the players. Look at the Flames by contrast, BT was able to identify dead weight over the years and bring in harder working players. The Flames can be better yet but the oilers have a whole team of apathetic players.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Here's hoping they go on a bit of a run to keep them out of the top 10 in draft position.

Stupid Oilers can't help but suck. What a bunch of morons.

I actually want them to finish dead last, have the highest odds of winning the lottery and then drop the max of 4 spots down and watch all the Oil fans scream conspiracy.