[News] Jan 3 UPD: Frolik's agent complains about his ice time

[shogged]

does frolik have another year left?

[GioforPM]

Sure agents have to support and advocate for their clients. But as someone who does negotiations for a living, publicly fighting with the other side doesn't usually get you far.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by shogged

does frolik have another year left?

Yup.

Cap hit of $4.3 million, but a base salary of $3 million. Might make him attractive to a team wanted to stay near the cap floor and save money (if there are any).

I honestly do think Frolik could be more productive on a less deep team. But he is a great utility player that can play up and down the lines which is a huge asset to a team like ours. I never questioned his effort.

That is why all this is extremely disappointing. I get that from his point of view, he has probably one more contract in his career to maximize his earnings and he wants to display what he can do. On a shallow team, he would almost certainly be a top 6. It's money over winning, but I can't hate a guy for that.

If I were the Flames, I would entertain trading him, but I would also offer him an extension that reflects the fact he is making a sacrifice to be a depth player.

[browna]

Are there some stats that Frolik needs to hit to trigger bonuses?
If Walsh has talked to Treliving and then tries to drive a wedge between him and Peters in specifically mentioning the coach in the first tweet, then it’s time to go.

Then getting hot and bothered about Frolik ice in the second game of a back to back, he’s just daring the Flames to trade him.

Have we figured if Walsh has had run ins with Peters before?

[dino7c]

Bottom line Frolik is not a good enough player to have to deal with drama

He is somewhere between a 6-9 forward...which is exactly where he is playing. Not above being a scratch here and there.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by browna

Are there some stats that Frolik needs to hit to trigger bonuses?
If Walsh has talked to Treliving and then tries to drive a wedge between him and Peters in specifically mentioning the coach in the first tweet, then it’s time to go.

Then getting hot and bothered about Frolik ice in the second game of a back to back, he’s just daring the Flames to trade him.

Have we figured if Walsh has had run ins with Peters before?

According to CapFreindly, his contract has no bonuses.

[420since1974]

My guess is that Frolik will be traded at the 2019/2020 trade deadline.

[rooster]

frolic should be told to Stay away from team until he is traded. Hopefully to Siberia! GTFO!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

According to CapFriendly, his contract has no bonuses.

And according to the CBA, he isn't eligible for bonuses:

Originally Posted by CBA

Section 50.2(b)(i)(C), paragraph 2:

Performance Bonuses shall be allowable under this Agreement only for:

(i) Players with Entry Level SPCs under Article 9 of this Agreement;

(ii) Players aged 35 or older as of June 30 prior to the League Year in which the SPC is to be effective, who have signed a one-year SPC for that League Year; and

(iii) Players who are "400-plus game Players" for pension purposes, and who: (i) in the last year of their most recent SPC, spent 100 days or more on the Injured Reserve List; and (ii) have signed a one-year SPC for the current or upcoming League Year.

Just in case anyone was wondering about that.

[activeStick]

There were some comments earlier about Neal getting more of a free pass than Frolik but I'm not sure I agree with that. Neal was THE big free agent brought in and the top line wing position with Monahan and Gaudreau was all but sealed up for him given Neal's history.

They tried it in pre-season and he looked okay up there but Lindholm basically stole it from him and forced the coach's hand. From there, they dropped Neal to line 2 but as we've all seen, he's been unable to get any chemistry there either and has spent most of his time on the third line this season. I feel like Neal was also tried on the top PP unit to start the season but failure to produce has resulted in him now on the second unit.

Clearly, he hasn't been able to find his game as evidenced by the rotating line two winger spot with Neal, Czarnik and Frolik all getting reps up there. I think Peters has been extremely merit-based on his ice time allowed.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by activeStick

There were some comments earlier about Neal getting more of a free pass than Frolik but I'm not sure I agree with that. Neal was THE big free agent brought in and the top line wing position with Monahan and Gaudreau was all but sealed up for him given Neal's history.

They tried it in pre-season and he looked okay up there but Lindholm basically stole it from him and forced the coach's hand. From there, they dropped Neal to line 2 but as we've all seen, he's been unable to get any chemistry there either and has spent most of his time on the third line this season. I feel like Neal was also tried on the top PP unit to start the season but failure to produce has resulted in him now on the second unit.

Clearly, he hasn't been able to find his game as evidenced by the rotating line two winger spot with Neal, Czarnik and Frolik all getting reps up there. I think Peters has been extremely merit-based on his ice time allowed.

He really has, but honestly this is why it makes Neal's leash and Ryan's love all the more frustrating. Everything else has been extremely merit based, so what has Neal done to earn PP time over Frolik? What has Ryan done there? Nada. I like Ryan, but he's not a PP player. Neal is supposed to be but he's been hot garbage all season. Even Bennett has been back and forth. Why is Frolik not getting more time tried there? It's not like that unit ever scores.

I see where Frolik's frustrations are. I wish it was being addressed in a better way, and I hope he remains with the team through the season because I think he is a vital playoff player.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Coach

He really has, but honestly this is why it makes Neal's leash and Ryan's love all the more frustrating. Everything else has been extremely merit based, so what has Neal done to earn PP time over Frolik? What has Ryan done there? Nada. I like Ryan, but he's not a PP player. Neal is supposed to be but he's been hot garbage all season. Even Bennett has been back and forth. Why is Frolik not getting more time tried there? It's not like that unit ever scores.



I see where Frolik's frustrations are. I wish it was being addressed in a better way, and I hope he remains with the team through the season because I think he is a vital playoff player.

Isn't one of the assistants tasked with the responsibility of icing the PP units, and not Peters himself?

[Itse]

I wonder if it would make Frolik feel better if they sat Neal for a game or two. Half joking, but I think this is likely the issue; not how he's been handled, but how he's pretty clearly been handled differently than Bennett and especially Neal.

It's a pretty well known phenomenon that people are extremely resentful towards being treated unfairly, much more so than than if they are treated equally bad.

This is a major reason why I think it's a bad idea to spoonfed opportunities to some guys to get their offense going for extended periods of time. Those opportunities are always at the expense of someone else, and at some point those other guys are going to get pissed off.

People get very anxious when they feel like they have no control over their situation. Frolik is in a situation where his spot in the lineup is constantly taken away from him for reasons that are beyond his control, and over time that has to get tiresome, especially since its for no good reason. Giving Neal looks on the second line has not helped at all. If it had, I'm sure Frolik would be okay with the rotation.

And yeah, never getting a chance to play on the PP has to start getting old when that 2nd PP unit is one of the worst in the league.

All that said, still not a fan of making it public. But I'm guessing Frolik is feeling like something needs to give.

I think some of this had to fall on the coaching staff. Frolik isn't known for being like this, and if they've managed to antagonize a solid player like this for really no clear benefit, it's clearly a mistake. Probably something they didn't realize they were doing, but still a mistake.

Of course you have to wonder if Frolik has sufficiently made his feelings known in private, but right now it is what it is. While it's interesting to speculate, at the end of the day we don't really know how and why exactly did it come to this. The blame for the situation is very likely shared by many people, but right now the situation just needs to be solved.

With luck they'll just settle it all with a good long talk, but I have a feeling that's hoping for too much.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I think Peters has been extremely merit-based on his ice time allowed.

Peters use of Bennett, Neal, Ryan and Smith pretty much contradict this statement.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Why are we questioning a coach that has the team in first place in the conference? Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t been a fan of all of the choices but the majority of the ones Peters has made have worked out just fine, he clearly knows what he’s doing.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Why are we questioning a coach that has the team in first place in the conference? Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t been a fan of all of the choices but the majority of the ones Peters has made have worked out just fine, he clearly knows what he’s doing.

Because there's nothing wrong with criticizing details of someone's work while accepting they are generally awesome.

To be clear though, I don't really blame Peters of the coaching staff much. I think they are likely partially responsible, but I don't expect them to be perfect, and I don't expect them to know all the possible future negative consequences of decisions that made sense at the time.

Mostly this is on Frolik. But I also dont want to blame a guy for not always being able to handle something that I get has to be frustrating.

The only thing I really don't like is making it public. I don't think there's anything really to be gained from that. But even if Frolik is okay with that, I'll still put that mostly on the agent who keeps doing this.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Oh for sure, I’m not a fan of how Walsh is handling this at all but it’s up to Frolik to tell him to shut his yap if he’s not comfortable with it. I think it’s causing an unnecessary distraction when the team is rolling.

[Yoho]

News flash Frolik, you’re not good enough to continue to have these Twitter tantrums. Eventually you get 4th line or healthy scratched and stay there.

Wouldn’t that look good going into your next contract? A 32 year old with year and a half of being healthy scratched used only as injury replacement. Back up the brinks truck to that pay day.

Keep pushing two can play this game.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Frolik doesn't have Neal's smile, and he doesn't have Bennett's stache. Just doesn't have the face for more face time.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What are these stats? Are they isolating for frolik getting 10 minutes a night in the fourth line or are they isolating their time with tkachuk?

Both players production per 60 minutes