Stats measure performance - in a performance league. But stats don't necessarily mean as much in a development league.
There are lots of examples of players having mediocre stats in the A, but being able to come to the bigs and contribute.
Also, Gillies has actually played in the NHL, so we know that he is capable.
Yeah stats aren't everything but you can't discard them. His AHL stats aren't mediocre, they are bad and I can't imagine there any many, if any examples of goalies who have flipped the switch from bad in the AHL to good in the NHL overnight. Are there?
Yes he has played in the NHL but if you recall, he was only OK. His save % was under .900 last year.
I stand by my view that there is no reason to play him unless both Smith and Rittich are hurt.
At the St Louis game even my 7 year old who had never watched a hockey game before observed (unprovoked) that Smith "was being really hard on himself" after letting that first goal in.
He then started getting "grabby" at the puck rather that let the game come to him.
Can he or she be our new goalie coach?
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Is Parson's still considered our goalie of the future, or has that fizzled?
Personally I have hope for him and there is lots of time. But not going to get too excited until we see some sustained levels of good play at a pro level.
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Yeah stats aren't everything but you can't discard them. His AHL stats aren't mediocre, they are bad and I can't imagine there any many, if any examples of goalies who have flipped the switch from bad in the AHL to good in the NHL overnight. Are there?
Yes he has played in the NHL but if you recall, he was only OK. His save % was under .900 last year.
I stand by my view that there is no reason to play him unless both Smith and Rittich are hurt.
Yes, they were 'ok'. At best. Not horrible, but nothing to write home about for sure.
But I like the thought of that above going back-to-back with Smith, who seems to have been struggling with a nagging health issue for the past while. Maybe ongoing discomfort from the groin pull? Who knows. But playing him back-to-back is a bigger gamble than playing Gillies one game, IMO.
Yeah stats aren't everything but you can't discard them. His AHL stats aren't mediocre, they are bad and I can't imagine there any many, if any examples of goalies who have flipped the switch from bad in the AHL to good in the NHL overnight. Are there?
Yes he has played in the NHL but if you recall, he was only OK. His save % was under .900 last year.
I stand by my view that there is no reason to play him unless both Smith and Rittich are hurt.
Team D was also terrible when he was up. Rittichs numbers last year aren't much better @ a .904. I'm not going to say Gillies is the answer but he passed the eye test at least. Let's see what he can do.
I'm just saying I'm going to have to disagree with the statement that "most" acknowledge it when he does let in a goal he should have had. To acknowledge it on here would actually mean making a post admitting it even if you forgive him for it.
I'm just saying I'm going to have to disagree with the statement that "most" acknowledge it when he does let in a goal he should have had. To acknowledge it on here would actually mean making a post admitting it even if you forgive him for it.
I fear the people who are responding to you are not the ones you have an issue with.
Yes there are a bunch of people who will rag on a goalie any time a goal goes in, applaud a goalie on a breakaway where the shooter loses the handle... just base things on their opinion or feelings, generally not need to be correct, and never look back.
So you’re right. There will be people that give Rittich a pass and complain about Smith, based on nothing more than how they feel about the goalies.
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I'm just saying I'm going to have to disagree with the statement that "most" acknowledge it when he does let in a goal he should have had. To acknowledge it on here would actually mean making a post admitting it even if you forgive him for it.
I glaze over GTs, but I'd call it out if I saw it right there with you. The difference is that Smith and Rittich haven't earned the same tolerance for 'goals they could have had'.
Seems like an odd thing to come in here to post specifically, but I more look at what people are talking about outside of GTs. I think it's mostly those on the other side are pushing that POV, outside of a few reactionary posts in GTs
I think, in general... a lot think Smith is a bad goalie and Rittich has been good. In games like SJ, you'd like for him to have made life a little easier but he's earned a bit of leeway.
But, TBH...
#1: You'd like for him to have more awareness of #52 right there... but that's a good goal if you're going to let him sit there. Smith lets that same goal in, and I'd hope the commentary is similar
#2 You want him to have that. It's a big shot from a big shooter. I'm sure that would draw quite a bit of ire from fans if Smith was in net - but it's a big save you hope your goalie can make. Rittich vs. Burns and Burns won. I think Rittich and Smith would tell you they want that back
#3 Gio was rightfully pissed after this one handcuffed Rittich, and I won't pretend for one second that this wouldn't have lit the candle for a lot of people. Rittich also wants that one back. It's a weird muffin that found the top corner around Gio. Shouldn't hit the back of the net often
#4 No one should be sitting on that post that open, but that is a nothing play if Rittich doesn't let a pass by him there. I'd have the same to say about Smith
#5 Jumbo Joe just beat Rittich. There was traffic, but that's something you want your #1 to limit
If the Flames don't score 8, this one is a L on Rittich.
However, the mindset is more 'give him a night off' than 'will this guy ever be a positive'? Changes tone quite a bit, and I'd hope the GT mirrors what we all chatted about at home.
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#1: You'd like for him to have more awareness of #52 right there... but that's a good goal if you're going to let him sit there. Smith lets that same goal in, and I'd hope the commentary is similar
#2 You want him to have that. It's a big shot from a big shooter. I'm sure that would draw quite a bit of ire from fans if Smith was in net - but it's a big save you hope your goalie can make. Rittich vs. Burns and Burns won. I think Rittich and Smith would tell you they want that back
#3 Gio was rightfully pissed after this one handcuffed Rittich, and I won't pretend for one second that this wouldn't have lit the candle for a lot of people. Rittich also wants that one back. It's a weird muffin that found the top corner around Gio. Shouldn't hit the back of the net often
#4 No one should be sitting on that post that open, but that is a nothing play if Rittich doesn't let a pass by him there. I'd have the same to say about Smith
#5 Jumbo Joe just beat Rittich. There was traffic, but that's something you want your #1 to limit
If the Flames don't score 8, this one is a L on Rittich.
#1 - That was placed right inside the post a split second after coming out front. No goalie in the NHL stops that.
#2 - great release and shot placement. Burns overpowered Rittich. Not a bad goal. No doubt he wants it back because he saw it. Goalies are expected to stop about 19 out of 20 shots they see cleanly. I would place this in the bucket of shots that are much more difficult to stop.
#3 - broken play, not on the goalie
#4 - how much do you want Rittich to rotate out and stick a pad in the passing lane? No goalie in the league is expected to stop that.
#5 - yep. Thornton took a good shot through traffic.
Goals happen. Rittich played well and stopped everything he should have
Along with some good saves moving laterally and on odd man rushes
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#1 - That was placed right inside the post a split second after coming out front. No goalie in the NHL stops that.
#2 - great release and shot placement. Burns overpowered Rittich. Not a bad goal. No doubt he wants it back because he saw it. Goalies are expected to stop about 19 out of 20 shots they see cleanly. I would place this in the bucket of shots that are much more difficult to stop.
#3 - broken play, not on the goalie
#4 - how much do you want Rittich to rotate out and stick a pad in the passing lane? No goalie in the league is expected to stop that.
#5 - yep. Thornton took a good shot through traffic.
Goals happen. Rittich played well and stopped everything he should have
Along with some good saves moving laterally and on odd man rushes
agreed
i think this is a game where the goals allowed don't tell the story of the game... Rittich played well and made some big saves especially whenever SJ was close to tying it up... the only goals i would fault him on are Burns and Thornton...
#1 - That was placed right inside the post a split second after coming out front. No goalie in the NHL stops that.
#2 - great release and shot placement. Burns overpowered Rittich. Not a bad goal. No doubt he wants it back because he saw it. Goalies are expected to stop about 19 out of 20 shots they see cleanly. I would place this in the bucket of shots that are much more difficult to stop.
#3 - broken play, not on the goalie
#4 - how much do you want Rittich to rotate out and stick a pad in the passing lane? No goalie in the league is expected to stop that.
#5 - yep. Thornton took a good shot through traffic.
Goals happen. Rittich played well and stopped everything he should have
Along with some good saves moving laterally and on odd man rushes
#1 agreed, just offering a 'what if Smith was in net' perspective
#2 also agreed, but the save was there to make was more the idea
#3 agreed, but that's a saveable muffin that found the net
#4 The way he plays, I think Smith actually has this (and it's a nothing play). To be clear Rittich shouldn't have to do this, but a stick in the way of that pass ends that and it was pretty much shot through Rittich's crease
It wasn't his best night, but to be clear I'm being critical of Rittich in the same way we're critical of Smith not making a point that Rittich almost cost us the SJ game. Just as an example that there are flaws in Rittich's game that we do notice - not just ragging on Smith for the sake of it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's been great, he's had a rough go of it. And I definitely would like to see Tre upgrade that position by the deadline.
I'm just saying there are a handful of posters that I believe do cheer against the guy every time he plays. They're hoping he fails so they can post over and over again how much he sucks or how much they dislike him. It makes the GTs very toxic.
It would be shocking to see anything different. The script has repeated itself “ad nauseam “, some posters looking for anything and / or everything to blame on Smith.
Has his play been up to par and met expectations for many games this season?
Absolutely not.
Has he had far fewer games when he was up to snuff and less than a handful where he was good ?
Absolutely.
Is there still time for him to turn it around?
I believe there is.
Will he?
I sure hope so. Why would you hope anything different as long as he is a player on the Flames?
The preconceived rhetoric and flat out toxicity that some have perpetuated in the GTs towards Smith is cynical and often cringe worthy.
Of course , in my opinion.
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