2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Honestly, I think it's more brutal for the Preds. They could probably get Nylander for cheaper than Ekholm and Saros. Again, I don't see why Nashville would even trade Saros in the first place.

I think it's painfully obvious they aren't even going to listen to offers for him.

He is their future #1, signed for 3 years at 1.5M, while Rinne is injured and carrying a 7M hit all while becoming UFA at seasons end.

Nashville is not trading Saros.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think it's painfully obvious they aren't even going to listen to offers for him.

He is their future #1, signed for 3 years at 1.5M, while Rinne is injured and carrying a 7M hit all while becoming UFA at seasons end.

Nashville is not trading Saros.

TSN reported the other day that talks had begun to extend Rinne.

That’s what started all of this.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Brutal for the Flames.

Maybe on a Flames messageboard where people legitimately believe that Bennett is a starting point for Nylander.

Saros and Valimaki each have massive potential. You're extremely bias if you think that Nashville would be asking for anything less than (the value of) Valimaki.

Of course the same has been suggested to Nashville fans and they talk about how brutal it is for them. As is team bias. It's a classic case of needing to give to get.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Ride out Smith for the year and sign a goalie as a UFA this offseason. Varlamov, Bobrovsky, and even Talbot are all good choices. I'm sure there are others as well.

Frolik and Stone aren't negative value pieces that you can't unload as long as you aren't expecting a great return.

This would leave the Flames with approximately 13 million to play with.

Gaudreau 6,75 Monahan 6,375 Neal 5,75
Tkachuk 6,739 Backlund 5,35 Czarnik 1,25
Bennett 2,25 Lindholm 4,85 Ryan 3,125
Dubé ,778 Jankowski 1,675

Giordano 6,75 Brodie 4,65
Hanifin 4,95 Hamonic 3,857
Välimäki ,894 Andersson ,755

Gillies ,75

Salary Cap $82,000,000
Cap Hit $69,000,000
Buyouts $1,500,000
Bonuses $665,000
Cap Space $13,000,000

[Harry Lime]

Toronto fans overvalue their players like few others. I have no doubt that thinking that Nylander is worth Ekholm and Valimaki, is actually coming from an honest place. It's just that the value is so overwrought.

Nylander is an RFA holdout, who believes that we is worth over 7M, in a vacuum. That is a number that would be put on a player who has been proven to drive the play, with consistency. He wants Tarasenko money, but is not anywhere near that much of a force. He does not stir the drink.

So, he is a proven 60 point player, who overvalues his worth, is a holdout, and will take time to get into shape and learn a new system.

Either he signs at his worth, which is around 6M, and stays in Toronto, or Toronto fans are going to be very underwhelmed with the return.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Stone I would agree with doesn't have negative value. Teams like veteran defenseman, and with only a one year commitment I wouldn't be surprised to see a team that missed out on their UFA targets take up a player at Stone. Assuming he came over practically free and Stone didn't eliminate all the teams interested with his NTC.

But Frolik is negative value currently and will need a good rest of the season to change that. At a 4.3M cap hit and a winger who was recently a healthy scratch, he's not drawing any attention. Especially when he's coming off a 10 goal season. If he keeps playing well on the 3M line he could change his value, but right now I don't think there's any team that would be interested him. Even as a single year rental next year.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Toronto fans overvalue their players like few others. I have no doubt that thinking that Nylander is worth Ekholm and Valimaki, is actually coming from an honest place. It's just that the value is so overwrought.

Nylander is an RFA holdout, who believes that we is worth over 7M, in a vacuum. That is a number that would be put on a player who has been proven to drive the play, with consistency. He wants Tarasenko money, but is not anywhere near that much of a force. He does not stir the drink.

I hate Toronto and nothing would make me happier see them move Nylander for a Frolik and Bennett so I don't have to worry about them actually being competent and potentially winning. Sometimes you just need to be realistic though.

I would also extremely agree that Nylander is not near what Tarasenko is today. Neither was Tarasenko when he was Nylander's age and signing his contract though.

Tarasenko signed for 7.5M years ago. The equivalent contract ask would be 8.3M today based on the cap inflation. Tarasenko also had 135 points in 179 games when he signed that deal. Nylander currently has 135 points in 185 games today. Draisaitl signed with 137 points in 191 games at 8.5M. Hmmm.

If Tarasenko was an UFA today, he's getting 10M easily. So really his value has little bearing on Nylander, and really even though Tarasenko is a massive beast, he scored all of 5 more points than Nylander last year. Toronto's lucky that the Flames and Colorado were able to get the likes of Mackinnon, Gaudreau and Monahan signed to what they did. They have far more bearing on arguing that Nylander isn't worth 7M+.

[David Struch]

A lot of people calling Nylander just a 60 point winger, but he took a lot of face-offs last year too and had 8 game winning goals. He could probably be some teams 1st or 2nd line centre.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

TSN reported the other day that talks had begun to extend Rinne.

That’s what started all of this.

Understood, but even then the extension wont be for any longer than 2 or maybe 3 years with PR at age 36...and Saros is cost controlled for that duration.

Now that Rinne is on the IR, even for just a few games, it emphasizes even further why Poile wouldn't trade the guy he has groomed to take over.

All just my opinion of course, but seeing how GM DP has gone about his business through the years, he simply doesn't let young cost controlled players go unless there is a glaring need in his line up...and that team is pretty solid from top to bottom, which includes a cheap but very good back up goaltender.

[Harry Lime]

But, (to anyone who watches more Toronto games than I do), it seems that Matthews and Marner (and now Taveras) are the ones who drive the play, and Nylander is more of a very good complementary player. Calgary has one of the better complementary players in Backlund, and is in that 6M range. Would that not be appropriate? It seems that Dubas thinks so.

[dissentowner]

Guys, there is some serious overvalue of Brodie going on here. He is not fetching a Nylander or a Duchene or much of anything of serious value. This isn't a fog of war situation here, other GM's know defensively he is a nightmare in his own end.

[SeanCharles]

Personally I'm not interested in trading any of Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Backlund, Bennett, Gio, Hanifin, Hamonic, Valimaki or Andersson.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Diane Phagoof

I honestly think the flames should be looking for another center. We do not have strong enough center depth to be a real contender.

I'd really like to see Backlund on the 3rd line.

I think something like a Brodie for Duchene and a 2nd would be a good trade if we are serious about making a push this year.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Bennett-Duchene-Neal
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Dube-Jankowski-Ryan

Giordano-Hamonic
Hanafin-Andersson
Valimaki-Stone

Smith
Rittich


In the summer, trade/buyout frolik and use that money along with the smith coming off the books and the big salary cap increase to resign tkachuk and duchene and grab a goalie like Varlamov

As much as I'd love Duchene on the team I just don't know how we will be able to afford, Duchene, Tkachuk and a starting goalie in the offseason even after trading Stone and Frolik.

There just isn't enough capspace after signing Neal and Ryan as FA's.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Understood, but even then the extension wont be for any longer than 2 or maybe 3 years with PR at age 36...and Saros is cost controlled for that duration.

Now that Rinne is on the IR, even for just a few games, it emphasizes even further why Poile wouldn't trade the guy he has groomed to take over.

All just my opinion of course, but seeing how GM DP has gone about his business through the years, he simply doesn't let young cost controlled players go unless there is a glaring need in his line up...and that team is pretty solid from top to bottom, which includes a cheap but very good back up goaltender.

I 100% agree with you. And I wouldn’t even let myself consider Saros until they mentioned Rinne staying in Nashville. It would be insane for them to not do what Pittsburgh did and move onto the younger goalie.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

But, (to anyone who watches more Toronto games than I do), it seems that Matthews and Marner (and now Taveras) are the ones who drive the play, and Nylander is more of a very good complementary player. Calgary has one of the better complementary players in Backlund, and is in that 6M range. Would that not be appropriate? It seems that Dubas thinks so.

A lot of people say similar things about Monahan as they do with Nylander. Not the player who drives the play but a great complementary player. Both with that ~60 points, though the goals favour Monahan. Give some credit for Monahan playing center, but Nylander did when Matthews went down and looked fine for a 21 year old.

I think Monahan's contract is fantastic and he could/should have got more. So probably an equivalent contract for Nylander would be a relatively fair deal, just adjusting for cap inflation. The equivalent contract at 6.35 in 2016 is 6.9 in 2018. I mean anything in that 6.5M-7.5M long term made sense for Nylander.

Now it sounds like a bridge contract may be forced which will severely lower the cap-hit, or a trade.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Maybe on a Flames messageboard where people legitimately believe that Bennett is a starting point for Nylander.

Saros and Valimaki each have massive potential. You're extremely bias if you think that Nashville would be asking for anything less than (the value of) Valimaki.

Of course the same has been suggested to Nashville fans and they talk about how brutal it is for them. As is team bias. It's a classic case of needing to give to get.

Nashville may ask for it, but that doesn't make it a good trade for the Flames.

And what fans on another board think about their players is irrelevant.

Valimaki cracked the lineup on a team with deep defense as a 20 year old with no AHL experience. And he looks better with each game. He is going to move his way up the lineup very quickly. Defensemen like that can have 15 year careers.

Meanwhile, goalies are witches. I know that Saros is currently the sexy young goaltender on fan boards, but that can change pretty quickly.

It would be a very risky, and almost certainly very bad, trade for the Flames. But keep pumping the 'most fans are homers' shtick. It adds credibility.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Meanwhile, goalies are witches.

i love this analogy.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Nashville may ask for it, but that doesn't make it a good trade for the Flames.

And what fans on another board think about their players is irrelevant.

Valimaki cracked the lineup on a team with deep defense as a 20 year old with no AHL experience. And he looks better with each game. He is going to move his way up the lineup very quickly. Defensemen like that can have 15 year careers.

Meanwhile, goalies are witches. I know that Saros is currently the sexy young goaltender on fan boards, but that can change pretty quickly.

It would be a very risky, and almost certainly very bad, trade for the Flames. But keep pumping the 'most fans are homers' shtick. It adds credibility.

The point was made in direct response to getting Saros out of Nashville. If you're not moving Valimaki or an equivalent, you're not getting him. Heck, you probably aren't even if you do. No, they aren't going to trade for a combination of Stone and Frolik with the all mystical 2nd round pick thrown in.

If you don't want Saros because you don't like goalies, cool. I can agree with that, but again his value is at least equal to Valimaki's.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Nylander would be a great add to the 2nd line. Could take draws for Backlund much like Lindholm does for Monahan.

The question is price. They’d probably want Bennett in return as the base. Bennett would flourish on a line with Tavares or Kadri.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Nylander would be a great add to the 2nd line. Could take draws for Backlund much like Lindholm does for Monahan.

The question is price. They’d probably want Bennett in return as the base. Bennett would flourish on a line with Tavares or Kadri.

Bennett wouldn’t even be the appetizer in that deal.