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ah123 · 10-22-2018, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I don't think its savy to trade for Nylander. The Flames need to control their incoming costs.

Wonder if the idea is to trade for Nylander and then flip him for an up&coming goalie

TheIronMaiden · 10-22-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ah123

Wonder if the idea is to trade for Nylander and then flip him for an up&coming goalie

Trading for NHL ready goalies in the middle of the season is very uncommon. I still think that the Flames will wait until either the trade deadline, or the off season to find a goalie.

Maybe I am biased but I am not a fan of mid season trades, especially if the team is having success.

TheoFleury · 10-22-2018, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Wait, so people who have been watching the Flames this season think that what the team needs is another scoring winger, and it can afford to give up a top-four d-man to get one?

How deeply infiltrated is CP with closet Leaf fans?

No kidding. Nylander is the last thing this team needs. Goal scoring is just fine, preventing them on the other hand...

Erick Estrada · 10-22-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Wait, so people who have been watching the Flames this season think that what the team needs is another scoring winger, and it can afford to give up a top-four d-man to get one?

How deeply infiltrated is CP with closet Leaf fans?

I do think it's getting close to time to move on from Brodie. I'm just not sure you can win big regular season and playoff games with skilled but mistake prone guys like Brodie, Gardiner, Shattenkirk, Yandle, etc. Penguins have with Letang but his ceiling is considerably higher than a guy like Brodie who's really just a good skater. He's going to be UFA in a season anyway and may want to head east to be closer to family and I don't think it's a great idea for the Flames locking him up long term at a higher salary than what he makes now as he is what he is at this stage of his career. Hamonic is probably going to be easier to re-sign and carry less risk.

Monahammer · 10-22-2018, 10:20 AM

Meh in spite of our lofty goals for totals so far, I actually think our team has been lucky... the top line is doing a lot of heavy lifting and tkachuk is the real driving offensive force outside of that.
I've also been on the "trade TJ" side for a few seasons now, and if we can get value for him in the form of nylander i would be giddy. Nylander is another offensive driver. Him+tkachuk could be our second real dynamic duo. Plus hes a Calgary boy. So my proposal would be jankowski+Brodie for Nylander, but I could be tempted to upgrade janko to Bennett if the leafs give us a 2nd or something.

I agree that our d gets pretty short after we trade him. However I dont think hes a vital piece to this lineup. Gio-Andersson would be just as good.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Nylander
Bennett-Dube-Neal
Frolik-Ryan-hathaway/peluso

Gio-Andersson
Hanifin-hamonic
Valimaki-Stone
Kylington/prout as the extras.

Rittich
Smith

CliffFletcher · 10-22-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I do think it's getting close to time to move on from Brodie. I'm just not sure you can win big regular season and playoff games with skilled but mistake prone guys like Brodie, Gardiner, Shattenkirk, Yandle, etc. Penguins have with Letang but his ceiling is considerably higher than a guy like Brodie who's really just a good skater. He's going to be UFA in a season anyway and may want to head east to be closer to family and I don't think it's a great idea for the Flames locking him up long term at a higher salary than what he makes now as he is what he is at this stage of his career. Hamonic is probably going to be easier to re-sign and carry less risk.

That may be the case, but teams have pro scouts who have been watching Brodie's play the last couple years. Any trade partner knows what they'll be getting in him, and the return will be assessed accordingly. And the Flames need a longer look to see what they have in Valimaki and Anderson before moving out Brodie. So if he is dealt, most likely it happens in the off-season, or maybe at the deadline.

BigFlameDog · 10-22-2018, 10:24 AM

The idea of "showcasing" a player is a myth IMO. These guys are scouted constantly, its not like scout x is going to suddenly fall in love with a player because he played 3 extra minutes one night in Manhattan.

Erick Estrada · 10-22-2018, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That may be the case, but teams have pro scouts who have been watching Brodie's play the last couple years. Any trade partner knows what they'll be getting in him, and the return will be assessed accordingly. And the Flames need a longer look to see what they have in Valimaki and Anderson before moving out Brodie. So if he is dealt, most likely it happens in the off-season, or maybe at the deadline.

I'm not saying it has to happen today or be a part in the Nylander (I'm lukewarm on him anyway) talk but it's something the team will have to address between now and the offseason as he, Hamonic, and Stone will all be UFA in a season and I can't see more than one of them remaining a Flame.

Flash Walken · 10-22-2018, 10:33 AM

IMO to re-sign Tkachuk you need to move brodie first.

Vinny01 · 10-22-2018, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

IMO to re-sign Tkachuk you need to move brodie first.

I think Frolik and Stone are the deals you move

Erick Estrada · 10-22-2018, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

IMO to re-sign Tkachuk you need to move brodie first.

Yeah which is why I don't see Nylander as a good fit as he's looking for similar money.

Erick Estrada · 10-22-2018, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think Frolik and Stone are the deals you move

Frolik can be a useful player but I'm not sure how many teams will be lining up for him at $4.3 million and willing to give up quality assets in return.

Vinny01 · 10-22-2018, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Frolik can be a useful player but I'm not sure how many teams will be lining up for him at $4.3 million and willing to give up quality assets in return.

I would t be asking for quality assets I would trade him for a 7th in the summer if a team would take the cap hit off our hands. The same with Stone. Adding that $7.8M cap space makes signing Tkachuk, Bennett, and a goalie doable.

calf · 10-22-2018, 11:01 AM

For a team that's in a window, and has shown to be competitive early on this season, why would we shake up our team and trade away NHL quality depth, especially when the Leafs don't have a lot of leverage at this point? Unless the wheels fall off completely before the trade deadline, we should be holding onto as many NHL ready players as possible in case of injuries, etc.

Poe969 · 10-22-2018, 11:05 AM

The only way I'd trade for Nylander is if he could be flipped for someone like Saros

Toonage · 10-22-2018, 11:10 AM

If he could be flipped for Saros, Toronto would just do that themselves.

Jiri Hrdina · 10-22-2018, 11:11 AM

I think part of what you do is project ahead what your D starts to look like. The pipeline isn’t great right now, apart from Kylington. In fact, I don’t know if there is a single other legitimate D prospect in the system.
So what do we have
Gio: still playing at a very high level, and is a fitness fiend. Any drop off in the next 2-3 years probably means he’s still a top 4
Hanifin: young and immense upside. Long-term top 2
Valimaaki: long term top 4
Hamonic: Mid-term top 4, who settles into a #5 role ideally. Probably will be affordable and motivated to sign back in Calgary
Andersson: Looks good so far. Is he a top 4 guy or strong #5?
Brodie: Wild card. But perhaps the guy you move on from via trade to fill a gap elsewhere. But I share others’ vies that his warts are probably unknown
Kylington: Wild Card #2. Can this guy play in the NHL and if so how high in your lineup?
Stone: Guy you move on from

So in the long-run that leaves you with potentially something like (I’ve not looked at RHD/LHD here AT ALL)

Hanifin-Valimaaki
Gio-Andersson
Hamonic-Kylington

Means you probably can move on from a guy like Brodie, perhaps after this season

Jiri Hrdina · 10-22-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

If he could be flipped for Saros, Toronto would just do that themselves.

Why would they want Saros? They are set in goal

Toonage · 10-22-2018, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why would they want Saros? They are set in goal

Really? They wouldn't swap Sparks out for Saros?

bax · 10-22-2018, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Really? They wouldn't swap Sparks out for Saros?

Well obviously they would, but you don’t trade a stud winger coming off his elc to improve your backup goalie situation. That makes zero sense when they have Andersen long term and clearly need to improve their defense.