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Vinny01 · 10-22-2018, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tkflames

I have to think Dubas was at the game to watch the NYR. Nylander for Hayes + or Nylander for Zibanejad + is exactly the kind of deal that gets them a similar asset to Nylander albeit cost controlled.

I am sure NYR would be open to this as they need someone to build around. There is not a lot of star power there at the moment. It's going to sound like blasphemy here, but NYR would he smart to build a young team that will be ready in 4 years and then backup the brinks truck for JG.

Well Hayes is a pending UFA so he is not a cost controlled asset. I do think the Rangers make more sense for Nylander than the Flames but there is a good chance he was at that game and it had nothing to do with nylander.

Monahammer · 10-22-2018, 08:01 AM

Bennett+brodie for nylander

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Nylander

Please baby jesus

Oling_Roachinen · 10-22-2018, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by heep223

Something like Brodie + 1st would absolutely be fair, considering the contract Brodie is on as well.

A UFA in less than two seasons?

Tavares is 28, Reilly is 24, Matthews is 21, Marner is 21, Nylander is 22. This isn't a team that needs to compete in the next 2 year or bust. Heck, with Marleau, Hainsey, Horton's IR and Kessel's retained salary coming off the cap in the next couple years, this is a team that will probably be most poised to make noise after Brodie's contract is up.

No, if you want Nylander for a defenseman on the Flames you're giving up a cost-controlled asset for the foreseeable future. That means Hanifin. Maybe Valimaki.

heep223 · 10-22-2018, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

A UFA in less than two seasons?

Tavares is 28, Reilly is 24, Matthews is 21, Marner is 21, Nylander is 22. This isn't a team that needs to compete in the next 2 year or bust. Heck, with Marleau, Hainsey, Horton's IR and Kessel's retained salary coming off the cap in the next couple years, this is a team that will probably be most poised to make noise after Brodie's contract is up.

No, if you want Nylander for a defenseman on the Flames you're giving up a cost-controlled asset for the foreseeable future. That means Hanifin. Maybe Valimaki.

Well then there’s no deal to be made. Nylander at $7M or whatever isn’t even close to worth either of those players.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-22-2018, 08:22 AM

Yeah, and maybe that's why there hasn't been a deal made. In any regard, I'll call up Dubas and let him know we couldn't get anything done on the message board.

Monahammer · 10-22-2018, 08:22 AM

Nylander wont sign at 6 because hes worried he'll just get traded. We dont have the same long term problems Toronto has, we could mitigate some of that with an NMC or something.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-22-2018, 08:23 AM

He can't have a NMC until he's "UFA" in 5 years. That's the issue. No contract can give him a NMC in the first four years.

sureLoss · 10-22-2018, 08:35 AM

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
While many are trying to connect the potential trade dots on TOR GM Kyle Dubas being at last night’s NYR-CGY game at MSG, which I suppose is possible, it’s worth noting two things: 1. William Nylander’s agent Lewis Gross lives in Manhattan. 2. Dubas likes to go to hockey games.

Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun
And I can confirm that Lewis Gross at indeed at that game last night. Of course he represents Flames star Johnny Gaudreau

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
More cloak and dagger work uncovers Dubas and Nylander's agent, Lewis Gross were seen talking before the Flames/NYR game last night. Have to believe that is why Dubas was there.

Monahammer · 10-22-2018, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
While many are trying to connect the potential trade dots on TOR GM Kyle Dubas being at last night’s NYR-CGY game at MSG, which I suppose is possible, it’s worth noting two things: 1. William Nylander’s agent Lewis Gross lives in Manhattan. 2. Dubas likes to go to hockey games.

Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun
And I can confirm that Lewis Gross at indeed at that game last night. Of course he represents Flames star Johnny Gaudreau

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
More cloak and dagger work uncovers Dubas and Nylander's agent, Lewis Gross were seen talking before the Flames/NYR game last night. Have to believe that is why Dubas was there.

Or Gross was just acting as a middle man so that Dubas and Tre could have some alone time. Maybe hes just trying to reduce the amount of people he has to negotiate with by trying to get more of his clients on the same team

Jiri Hrdina · 10-22-2018, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Toronto needs a top pairing level defenceman, and despite the over-the-top reactions around here - Brodie is that.

I do wonder if there could be a deal built around those two. Calgary can offer:

Top-4 defenceman (Brodie)
Veteran depth forward (Frolik)
Quality goalie depth (Gillies)

Toronto is in an interesting spot. They're rich beyond belief up front, while also having huge problems defensively and could possibly use some solid veteran depth to help them fill in spots when injuries arise.

I think there is some potential there for at least the basis of a deal.

The problem with that deal is that they already have a dman (Gardiner) who offers many of the same challenges and strengths as Brodie
The rest of the deal doesn't help them at all.

Erick Estrada · 10-22-2018, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The problem with that deal is that they already have a dman (Gardiner) who offers many of the same challenges and strengths as Brodie
The rest of the deal doesn't help them at all.

Yeah they (Brodie and Gardiner) are basically the same player and it appears the Leafs will move on from Gardiner at the end of the season.

GioforPM · 10-22-2018, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Or Gross was just acting as a middle man so that Dubas and Tre could have some alone time. Maybe hes just trying to reduce the amount of people he has to negotiate with by trying to get more of his clients on the same team

Gross is a really nice and accommodating guy so that wouldn't surprise me.

Beatle17 · 10-22-2018, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Toronto needs a top pairing level defenceman, and despite the over-the-top reactions around here - Brodie is that.

I do wonder if there could be a deal built around those two. Calgary can offer:

Top-4 defenceman (Brodie)
Veteran depth forward (Frolik)
Quality goalie depth (Gillies)

Toronto is in an interesting spot. They're rich beyond belief up front, while also having huge problems defensively and could possibly use some solid veteran depth to help them fill in spots when injuries arise.

I think there is some potential there for at least the basis of a deal.

Funny but listening to Warrener this morning they don't think Brodie is anything but a third pairing guy, which I agree with (but that is my opinion). They said he is soft, terrible defensively and his passing is weak.

If the new coach, Peters, who watched a ton of film and stated he was going to reunite Brodano thinks he doesn't deserve to play up the line up then maybe the issue isn't all the "####ty" partners he has had to "Carry" but the fact that Brodie screws them all up by playing a terrible version of rover. Warrener even speculated that when Hamonic is back that Brodie may be a healthy scratch.

David Struch · 10-22-2018, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pepper24

Rumour I’ve heard is Bennett, Stone, and Defense Prospect (Kylington?) for Nylander.

That would work...

2019-20:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Nylander (6.75)
Tkachuk (6.75) - Backlund - Frolík
Czarnik - Lindholm - Neal
Dubé - Jankowski - Ryan

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Välimäki - Andersson

#1 Goalie
Gillies

Salary Cap $82,000,000
Cap Hit $77,810,875
Buyouts $1,500,000
Bonuses $665,000
Cap Space $4,189,125

Next move, trade Frolík (4.3) for the cap space needed for #1 Goalie, which will leave the Flames with over 8 million in available cap space.

Flamenspiel · 10-22-2018, 09:09 AM

Calgary needs a top pairing defenceman.

I don't get the trade Brodie for a forward talk, looking at the Flames now they have fixed the forward issue and are looking for Giordano's new partner. Fundamentally, they need to stand pat and see how this all shakes out, Hannifin is really coming along and makes very few mistakes and is already the second best defensemen.

Despite that it seems that as a result of the Hamilton trade in terms of quality(and the RL defense mix) they are playing the 1 with the 3rd best D and the number 2 with the 4th best Defensemen. Time will tell if that works out but with Hamonic out they are very thin on the top 4. I think that there is no way they trade Brodie except for another defensemen or perhaps as part of goalie trade that can cover for a challenged set of defensemen.

Ultimately if the younger defensemen pan out as top 4s the problem will solve itself but it will take time.

Ryan Coke · 10-22-2018, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Gross is a really nice and accommodating guy so that wouldn't surprise me.

So I wonder if Gross is doing the same awkward propaganda spamming with Nylanders negotiation that he did with Gaudreau. The Gaudreauvertime thing was so hamfisted and unprofessional, but I wonder if there is similar social media manipulation going on over at TorontoPuck.

That itself, and the whole botched negotiation leaves me with a sour taste towards Lewis Gross. I wonder if players would be turned off by an agent that not only uses that type of propaganda distribution, but also puts his clients in position to lose significant time and money due to his poor strategic gambles.

Vinny01 · 10-22-2018, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Bennett+brodie for nylander

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Nylander

Please baby jesus

I would think in this scenario Lindholm and Nylander would flop spots. Lindholm can play the hard shutdown minutes the Tkachuk-Backlund line faces I am not sure Nylander can?

Flames would be left with a paper thin blue line and our prized ufa signing Neal is playing with Ryan and Frolik for the rest of the season.

Matty81 · 10-22-2018, 09:51 AM

I think Dubas has no intention of trading Nylander... that said I think if the Leafs wanted someone from the Flames it would be Hamonic rather than Stone in the package.

Back when the Flames acquired him the Leafs were the other team closest to acquiring him and Dubas was the Leafs most senior player evaluator and advisor as AGM:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...s-agent-upset/

Also I agree, Gross is a wannabe Scott Boras but he has just ended up screwing his clients - the NHL is more of a relationship league than a hardball league with the lower cap... it's not about how much you can get full stop it's getting the best chunk of the pie with such a low cap compared to MLB. He held Gaudreau out all preseason and caused his worst season. Now he's got Nylander missing a good chunk of a season off his entry level.

TheIronMaiden · 10-22-2018, 09:54 AM

I don't think its savy to trade for Nylander. The Flames need to control their incoming costs. Especially since they will likely sign one of the UFA goalies and Tkachuk next off season to the tune of 12M, and that is with out Bennett's contract under consideration.

There is simply no room for him under the Flames cap, there is hardly a need for him with this seasons production so far, and the cost of acquisition would be too high for what ever need it fills.

CliffFletcher · 10-22-2018, 10:00 AM

Wait, so people who have been watching the Flames this season think that what the team needs is another scoring winger, and it can afford to give up a top-four d-man to get one?

How deeply infiltrated is CP with closet Leaf fans?