[PGT] Flames 5 Bruins 2

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I don't think its much different than the James Neal hit on Seguin that a lot of fans here were celebrating after getting Neal this summer.

It sucks when it happens to your guy, but its a play that you want to see when it's your crease being crowded.

huge difference is Seguin is wacking at the puck. Justbefore Neal makes contact the puck is just coming off Seguin's stick for the second time.

If anything, it is similar to the Bennett on Zardov. Only difference is Zaradov is bigger. Bennett also got a penalty in that instance.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Locke, my friend. Look where the puck is at the moment of impact. It's not in the corner, it's in play just behind McAvoy right in front of the net. He has to do his job there. The puck is in a dangerous spot.

That GIF clearly shows that the initial point of contact was the head because:

1. The head moves before any other part of the body, and

2. The head initially moves away from the point of impact; with an impact on the shoulder, the inertia of the head and the flexibility of the neck would make the head appear to move toward the point of impact relative to the rest of the body if the initial impact had been to the shoulder or trunk.

The follow through in finishing the check was to the body, which made the hit look less dirty than it actually was. Based on the hit being to a player without the puck (hence the interference call on the ice), the fact that Gaudreau was not able to see the hit coming and protect himself due his sudden rotation immediately prior to the hit, and the initial point of impact being the head, this should result in supplementary discipline.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Robbob

huge difference is Seguin is wacking at the puck. Justbefore Neal makes contact the puck is just coming off Seguin's stick for the second time.

If anything, it is similar to the Bennett on Zardov. Only difference is Zaradov is bigger. Bennett also got a penalty in that instance.

You have a point there, but Gaudreau was still on the puck when McAvoy was lining up the hit. You can't even count two steam boats in slow motion between Johnny's contact with the puck, and the hit.

I don't even really see it as a penalty to be honest. It seems refs are more likely now to just call any violent looking hit as a penalty.

[BigFlameDog]

The more I watch it I see a 2 minute interference penalty with unfortunate accidental head contact due to big man vs little man and I started out at "dirty hit". Do not think McAvoy was being intentionally dirty.

I also feel that Gaudreau needs to be more aware on that type of play...every dman in the league is coming back to the net with ill intent at that point and he put himself in a very vulnerable position.

Lucky he didn't get drilled worse actually.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

That GIF clearly shows that the initial point of contact was the head

I haven't looked up the rule lately, but I think it says "principal point of contact", not "initial point of contact". They aren't synonyms.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

If the league is serious about removing head shots, concussions and injuries from hitting then you have to suspend Mcavoy for that hit. Players need to change their thinking here.

D man gets burned, gets upset, then runs at Gaudreau. Puck is already gone by that point, but he decides to send a message and drill him anyway with a head shot. That is not bodychecking. That's him trying to intimidate Gaudreau for a) burning him and b) going to the net

Size difference is irrelevant. That hit shouldn't have been attempted in the first place, because IMO it's an attempt to injure with no regard for the puck, which was clearly gone.

I disagree with your statement that he "drilled him in the head" and it was an "attempt to injure"

it was an unfortunate play where a bigger man hit a little man, so there was unavoidable contact with the head.

was for sure a penalty, but nothing more than that. this there is some flames bias in your post.

you'd want a flames dman to make that hit 10 times of of 10. I do agree that "That's him trying to intimidate Gaudreau". of course it is. you want it in a players head that he's gonna get hit.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

So far for Carolina, Hamilton has 20:05 avg TOI. Hanifin has 20:58
Hamilton has 3 assists in 7 games and is +1.
Hanifin has 2 assists in 6 games and is +1.

The only thing that Hamilton does more is shoot the puck, but we knew that already.


Remember when we thought we were downgrading our defense with this trade? I don't see that at all. I'm pretty f'ing pleased with Hanifin so far in a Flames uniform. He will be a core piece for probably another decade. Hamilton couldn't wait to get out of town.

Treliving is a friggin' miracle worker.

Great trade for both teams! Look at Ferly on the top line in Carolina.

Ferland G4 A3 Pts 7 +6 SOG 26 HITS 18 TOI 16:13
Lindholm G4 A2 Pts 6 -3 SOG 13 HITS 6 TOI 20:19

26 SOG's???!! Thats more than anyone on the Flames and second only to Hamilion with 29 on the Canes. Course they have played 1 more game.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Great trade for both teams! Look at Ferly on the top line in Carolina.

Ferland G4 A3 Pts 7 +6 SOG 26 HITS 18 TOI 16:13
Lindholm G4 A2 Pts 6 -3 SOG 13 HITS 6 TOI 20:19

26 SOG's???!! That more than anyone on the Flames. Course they have played 1 more game.

a bit surprising that Lindholm is a -3.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Great trade for both teams! Look at Ferly on the top line in Carolina.

Ferland G4 A3 Pts 7 +6 SOG 26 HITS 18 TOI 16:13
Lindholm G4 A2 Pts 6 -3 SOG 13 HITS 6 TOI 20:19

26 SOG's???!! That more than anyone on the Flames. Course they have played 1 more game.

Yeah, Ferland has had some early chemistry for sure. He's a good finisher most of the time.

But I also know that Ferland runs really hot and then terribly cold for extended periods of time. He did this every single year. Maybe he becomes consistent all of a sudden, but I am expecting him to go cold at some point and then the deal will probably look better for us.

Plus, Lindholm is a much better defender and kills it in the faceoff circle. Extra value there.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

No announcement of a hearing and the Bruins play tonight.

Likely no supplemental discipline coming from the NHL.

I guess the Flames star players aren't as important as the Canucks star players.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yeah, Ferland has had some early chemistry for sure. He's a good finisher most of the time.

But I also know that Ferland runs really hot and then terribly cold for extended periods of time. He did this every single year. Maybe he becomes consistent all of a sudden, but I am expecting him to go cold at some point and then the deal will probably look better for us.

Plus, Lindholm is a much better defender and kills it in the faceoff circle. Extra value there.

Oh for sure I love the trade. By the end of the season if Lindholm doesn't have double the points of Ferland I'd be shocked!

and I can't believe we finally have a GREAT player on faceoffs! When was the last time we had one? Joel Otto?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I guess the Flames star players aren't as important as the Canucks star players.

I'll forgive him if Gaudreau doesn't miss any time and he puts up 5 points against the Oilers tonight..

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I guess the Flames star players aren't as important as the Canucks star players.

The Flames Star players wasn't hurt as badly as the Canucks player.

[Huntingwhale]

Ferland had an incredible 1st half of the season last year. He was on a 30 goal/60 point pace. Then the team started to implode, and he disappeared the last half. I love the guy, but wouldn't read too much into this hot streak. He's always been like this (as are most middle 6 wingers in the league).

Lindholm just seems to have a much bigger toolbox. Speed, skill, grittiness. Ferland has those attributes too. But Lindholm has a much higher hockey IQ, defensive game, PK abilities.

They are both good players and have different skillsets. But IMO Lindholm's talents are what's needed in the Flames' top 6 more so then what Ferland brought to the table.

[Split98]

Hope to hear good news about Johnny, but also glad to hear nothing from DOPS regarding McAvoy. It's a hit you cringe at as a Flames fan, but 100% of the time I'd want our defence to be doing the same thing. I was pretty surprised that was a penalty TBH.

Watching the NFL this year has me worried about where officiating can go. A game-winning TD was decided on a defensive gaff the player made worried about getting a call:

When asked about the missed opportunity to force another New England field goal and a tie game, Speaks said he thought Brady didn't have the ball and let up to avoid being penalized for roughing the passer.

"Because I thought the ball was gone, I ain't taking him to the ground," Speaks told reporters. "It sucks. It sucks. You're supposed to finish plays like that."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...d-brady-tackle

If that was Pastrnak at the side of the net and we let him score for fear of getting a call like McAvoy, I'm going to be very happy about it. IMO the McAvoy 'hit' is exactly the kind of roughness we can still have in the NHL. There was clearly no intent to injure IMO, just move this extremely dangerous player away from the play and the net. There was really nothing in there that would indicate he wanted Johnny hurt.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I guess the Flames star players aren't as important as the Canucks star players.

Or maybe the hit wasn't worthy of any discipline.

I thought the interference call was soft.

[Rick M.]

Is there any word on Gaudreau’s health status, yet?

[Scorch]

Credit to reddit

[Geeoff]

It sucks that Johnny was hurt but that's definitely a minor penalty for interference. I don't believe McAvoy has a history of head hunting either.

TBH I didn't think the Matheson play was suspension-worthy either

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

This must be like that Laurel and Yanni thing. I see clear first point of contact being head.

The first point of contact is to the head. But it's to a player in the midst of a 360 spin. McAvoy keeps his arm down and skates through his man. It's interference, and it's not a Rule 48 violation.

Regardless of whether or not Johnny has the puck, it's within less than a stick length of McAvoy. Which means it's in a high danger area if you're a Bruins D. Which means you have to hit Gaudreau there.