[PGT] Flames 5 Bruins 2

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

So far for Carolina, Hamilton has 20:05 avg TOI. Hanifin has 20:58
Hamilton has 3 assists in 7 games and is +1.
Hanifin has 2 assists in 6 games and is +1.

The only thing that Hamilton does more is shoot the puck, but we knew that already.


Remember when we thought we were downgrading our defense with this trade? I don't see that at all. I'm pretty f'ing pleased with Hanifin so far in a Flames uniform. He will be a core piece for probably another decade. Hamilton couldn't wait to get out of town.

Treliving is a friggin' miracle worker.

The other thing about Hanafin, is he regularly penalty kills. That is something Hamilton rarely did for Calgary.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Originally Posted by Locke

The puck is in the corner. Which is where a defender wants it.

Locke, my friend. Look where the puck is at the moment of impact. It's not in the corner, it's in play just behind McAvoy right in front of the net. He has to do his job there. The puck is in a dangerous spot.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Locke, my friend. Look where the puck is at the moment of impact. It's not in the corner, it's in play just behind McAvoy right in front of the net. He has to do his job there. The puck is in a dangerous spot.

Have you looked at where the puck was at the moment of impact? It was three feet away from Gaudreau, moving in the opposite direction of his own momentum, and being collected by another Bruin. There was, at that point in the play, absolutely no danger of the Flames even collecting the puck, much less generating a scoring opportunity.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Locke, my friend. Look where the puck is at the moment of impact. It's not in the corner, it's in play just behind McAvoy right in front of the net. He has to do his job there. The puck is in a dangerous spot.

Yeah. You're right on this one. I dont know why I thought it was farther away, but it is right there.

The hit is a little late but not nearly as late as I initially thought it was.

In retrospect I really dont have a problem with this hit.

The timing is close, initial contact seems high but I cant quite tell, but it seems okay. A defender clearing his crease.

[flames_fan_down_under]

I thought that second goal, Gaudreau's, was beautiful. The puck movement was fantastic, every single Flame on the ice touched the puck with Monahan right on the doorstep to flick the rebound back to Gaudreau,who was everywhere on the ice on that play.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Have you looked at where the puck was at the moment of impact? It was three feet away from Gaudreau, moving in the opposite direction of his own momentum, and being collected by another Bruin. There was, at that point in the play, absolutely no danger of the Flames even collecting the puck, much less generating a scoring opportunity.

Jesus can we get AC in here to show us the time the elapsed from the puck being in Johnny’s feet, to being 3 feet away, relative to McAvoys position and speed.

I’d be shocked if the entire play was longer than 0.6 seconds. It’s unfortunate, obviously don’t like seeing it, but I also don’t see how McAvoy was suppose to analyze that entire situation in the blink of an eye. I honestly don’t even think he sees the puck until the play is over.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Have you looked at where the puck was at the moment of impact? It was three feet away from Gaudreau, moving in the opposite direction of his own momentum, and being collected by another Bruin. There was, at that point in the play, absolutely no danger of the Flames even collecting the puck, much less generating a scoring opportunity.

Put yourself in McAvoy's shoes. The puck was just shot on net with Gaudreau banging away at the rebound. Gaudreau, the most dangerous offensive player for the Flames, is still at the side of the net where the puck was just a fraction of a second ago. Look at the hit in real time. You can't fault McAvoy's decision to lay the hit on him. It's an unfortunate play that was penalized appropriately. I don't think there's much more to discuss.

[foshizzle11]

I don't think he will get suspended, if he does it will be one game. I think he did contact his head first, from those angles provided by sureLoss. Unfortunately for McAvoy JG is short and he hit him right in the head/face first.

I hope JG is ok, he looked ok after the hit though for that minute or so he was on the ice. I was happy to see that our guys didn't back down, they went right after McAvoy. I want to continue to see that, we need to be tough to play against. We need everyone getting angry when this happens. Not just a handful of guys.

It will be interesting to see how this will play out. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't suspended.

[sureLoss]

No announcement of a hearing and the Bruins play tonight.

Likely no supplemental discipline coming from the NHL.

[edn88]

I think he will end up with a one game suspension, but it really doesn't look like any intent. Big guy hits little guy. If that was our D-man on a little guy on any other team, I would hope that is how he makes that same play. Take out the scoring threat. 10 years ago that is not even interference.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

See, I hear a bunch of people talking about a hit, and point of contact on a hit, but when I look at that, I see a particularly hard shove.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

And how many challenges went his way? I can't think of one, considering that he never used timeouts in order to have that option. So far, Peters has used a timeout successfully to rally the troops in the first period to great effect, and won a successful challenge to call back a goal. I would say it's vastly different in a small sample size.

I am having a hard time finding total stats, but found this one, as of January 22, 2017, so in the 2016-17 season:

2/6 on challenges made, which was tied for 8th most successful, and tied for 12th best percentage wise.
We had had 3 challenges against as at that time, all of which were successful against us.

Edit: Stumbled upon this site:
http://morehockeystats.com/coaches/challenge

I did just find what appears to be the 2017-18 stats, and Gulutzan was apparently 4/5 on interference challenges, putting him tied for 3rd most successful, and best on a percentage basis.

For offside he was 1/2.

Overall he was 5/7, for 71.43%, which put him tied for 3rd best in total successful challenges, and alone in 2nd for best percentage.

He appears to have been quite terrible in the 2016-17 season, going 1/6 in interference and 1/7 overall.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

See, I hear a bunch of people talking about a hit, and point of contact on a hit, but when I look at that, I see a particularly hard shove.

The rear camera shows he makes contact with the head, the problem is that Johnny’s head moves “just prior to or simultaneously with contact” as he is spinning that way.



McAvoy doesn’t “turn to line up an elbow” ..... he turns to get inside body position and drive Gaudreau AWAY from the net, like any defenseman should. As he is doing this Johnny spins and boom. Shoulder to head direct contact. Incidental, but contact was made. I hope he’s okay, but in no way is this a play that even deserves a phone call.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Locke

We should have fired Glen Gulutzan last Christmas instead of keeping him around sewering this team.

He was a complete passenger. He made this team worse. He could have been replaced with a Mop and the team would have been better for it.

Exactly. We should have cut our losses early on instead of wasting another half year of our top end talent.

No matter how much time you could give GG, nothing would change. He is what he is...a lousy coach.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by redforever

Exactly. We should have cut our losses early on instead of wasting another half year of our top end talent.

No matter how much time you could give GG, nothing would change. He is what he is...a lousy coach.

We could have duct-taped an iPad to a mop and saved a ton of cash and heartache on Ol' Gul's salary.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

When I watch those gifs in slow motion, I see an elbow straight to the head hitting him in the right side of the head and following through. I don’t see it hit him in the shoulder, I could be wrong through.

At the same time Johnny is spinning and small so it’s hard to be accurate on the hit. I’m honestly up in the air. 50:50 on a small suspension but not really pushing hard for it. Definitely not a fan of the hit though.

I don't think its much different than the James Neal hit on Seguin that a lot of fans here were celebrating after getting Neal this summer.

It sucks when it happens to your guy, but its a play that you want to see when it's your crease being crowded.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I don't think its much different than the James Neal hit on Seguin that a lot of fans here were celebrating after getting Neal this summer.

It sucks when it happens to your guy, but its a play that you want to see when it's your crease being crowded.

Not only that, the only thing wrong with the hit was that it was late. McAvoy was penalised to reflect that, so I’m not even entirely sure what people are debating.

Very weird debate, but it’s a penalty-worthy hit on our star, so bound to generate lots of conversation.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I doubt there should be a suspension, but it all comes to whether the primary contact was to the head in my view (where the puck is, matters for an interference call, but not as much for a review by the league).

Post Matheson, I am less sure of what might be suspension worthy though...

[flambers]

Nah, its most definitely interference and its a 2 minute minor. Puck was not in play thus its interference.

2nd question, which is always tough was it a head shot. Whether the puck is in play or not has no bearing on this quesiton

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

This must be like that Laurel and Yanni thing. I see clear first point of contact being head.