Cannabis is legal

[8sPOT]

I just think a system where something is legal at the State level but illegal at the Federal level is silly.

All this fuss over a plant. Silly.

Though as some have said, this is not a surprise. Even people working in the pot industry had to know the associated risks that comes with it when it comes to Canada/USA travel and whatnot.

Still though, for Joe Blow average Canadian this is a non issue. People have always been using pot and I don't know a single person that's been banned from the US.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You really think a Clinton administration would have changed the federal laws around pot since the election? I don't recall anything about pot in her campaign.

I agree it's dumb, but it's a dumb American thing, not a dumb Trump thing.

I mean, I don't remember Canadians having their personal electronic items being filedumped at the border prior to 2017.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I mean, I don't remember Canadians having their personal electronic items being filedumped at the border prior to 2017.

Border agents have always done that, Canadian official included. Not to everyone but they have the authority to do so if they so choose.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Border agents have always done that, Canadian official included. Not to everyone but they have the authority to do so if they so choose.

Source?

[Weitz]

nvm

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Source?

The Customs Act gives them the authority. And examination of devices and charges for non-compliance certainly happened before last year.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

The Customs Act gives them the authority. And examination of devices and charges for non-compliance certainly happened before last year.

Right but physical examination and/or a request to boot vs dumping data are two very different things.

I never heard complaints of border agents offloading personal data from phones/laptops until the mandate was passed to the TSA last year.

[Flamenspiel]

It is done by Canadian border agents upon your return as well. Definitely not a Trump thing.

[PsYcNeT]

Am I on crazy pills?

So you guys have had Canadian border agents turn on your laptops, insert a USB device, download your personal information, and then give it back to you? And then do the same with your tablet/phone?

I get the bomb residue wipe and that's it, along with the xray.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Am I on crazy pills?...

[Tron_fdc]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/can-u-...-how-1.3765602

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Am I on crazy pills?

So you guys have had Canadian border agents turn on your laptops, insert a USB device, download your personal information, and then give it back to you? And then do the same with your tablet/phone?

I get the bomb residue wipe and that's it, along with the xray.

Has it happened to me?
No
Do they have the authority to do it?
Absolutely.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I can't imagine any scenario where I'd ever let a border agent go through my phone. That ####s getting wiped or destroyed before that happens. It probably means I'm getting detained and cavity searched but if that's the cost of privacy, so be it.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Has it happened to me?
No
Do they have the authority to do it?
Absolutely.

Right but the point is, US border agents are doing it, and have had the mandate to do so since 2017 and have been pushing it hard since 2018, due to the "git tuff on non-Muricans" push from the WH.

They are also apparently going to use this information to ban Canadian travelers based on their jobs or affiliations, which brings us full circle back to "why are we 'whatabouting' this?"

[GordonBlue]

US Agents can demand a password to open your phone, without probable cause, Nielsen confirmed during the hearing. However, Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) staff attorney Sophia Cope says the directive, which she calls confusing, also allows you to refuse to do so. That, of course, is not without its consequences she says in a statement to CBC News. Your device could be seized or detained. The border agent could delay your travel or even deny entry if you are not a U.S. citizen.

—Customs agents have broad power: Immigration lawyer Henry Chang notes that one of his own colleagues once complained about a search, fearing a breach of attorney-client privilege: "The officer said, 'I don't care,"' Chang says. He said border guards can easily refuse someone entry: "There's ways they can mess with you," he said. "They can just declare you an immigration risk ... detain you, turn you away until you co-operate.... That's enough to scare people into co-operating."

from January of 2018
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/u...arch-1.4494371


I can see the instances of demanding access to phones and laptop data skyrocketing once Canada has legal pot.
gives them an easy excuse.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Right but the point is, US border agents are doing it, and have had the mandate to do so since 2017 and have been pushing it hard since 2018, due to the "git tuff on non-Muricans" push from the WH.

They are also apparently going to use this information to ban Canadian travelers based on their jobs or affiliations, which brings us full circle back to "why are we 'whatabouting' this?"

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
You asked for a source from someone who's point was border agents on both sides have always had the authority to search laptops, etc, and now you're pointing out that border agents are doing it?

So is your point that his has only happened/been allowed to happen since 2017? Cause that's not right at all.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
You asked for a source from someone who's point was border agents on both sides have always had the authority to search laptops, etc, and now you're pointing out that border agents are doing it?

So is your point that his has only happened/been allowed to happen since 2017? Cause that's not right at all.

No one has presented any direct evidence that Canada Customs does this, or even anecdotal evidence that they have had to forfeit data to Canada Customs, but there are numerous reports of this occurring with US Customs both through direct evidence and anecdotally with increased frequency since the inception of the Trump administration.

What exactly are you arguing against here?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

No one has presented any direct evidence that Canada Customs does this, or even anecdotal evidence that they have had to forfeit data to Canada Customs, but there are numerous reports of this occurring with US Customs both through direct evidence and anecdotally with increased frequency since the inception of the Trump administration.

What exactly are you arguing against here?

You said Canadian border agents aren't doing it.
I said, yeah, but they absolutely can.
You said Americans are doing it!

I'm not really sure where this was supposed to go.

[PsYcNeT]

I dunno man, you claimed I said Canada couldn't but i was all they can, but they aren't and also Trump hates foreigners and the GOP is all police state and told border agents to start doing it more and now people qho smoke weed and work in the industry are being banned.

It's alarming and stupid.

[socalwingfan]

I’ve had a border official take my laptop into a room and I had to write down my password for it. I think it was the Canadian customs but I am not positive. It was definitely before 2027