09-13-2018, 12:54 PM
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#141
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by troutman
Ottawa gets players, picks AND cap space. People rarely seem to weigh that last part.
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He was an expiring contract anyways, they weren't close to the cap, and are re-building.
Cap Space in this situation doesn't actually hold much value.
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09-13-2018, 12:54 PM
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#142
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fire
Is Karlsson going to sign with San Jose long-term? If Karlsson gets at least $10 million that will be $25 million for their top 3 defensemen next season. The Sharks forward group could be thin up front with Couture and Thornton being UFAs this coming off-season. Not sure if paying $25 million to three guys on defense is the best way to go.
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Thornton will just sign for the league minimum, he doesn't care.
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Looks like you'll need one long before I will. May I suggest deflection king?
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09-13-2018, 12:55 PM
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#143
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust
So you know when we flame people for throwing in a bunch many low quality pieces with a 1st round pick for a top player?
This is that exactly.
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Yup.
Probably a lot of fans wondering why their team couldn't do this.
I think it was a case of San Jose throwing a line in with their bid and patience paid off when OTT panicked about getting something done before camp.
Too bad Treliving didn't offer some spare parts and a 1st as well, just in case.
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09-13-2018, 12:55 PM
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#144
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Matata
As bad as the GM looks, this must have been the best offer on the table, everyone knew Karlsson was for sale, surprised no teams valued him more than this.
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Depending on the team (how much future cap space they have) his contract demands could be difficult to swallow. He's going to be the next player to join the $10 million club and he comes with some baggage and injury issues.
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09-13-2018, 12:55 PM
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#145
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fire
Is Karlsson going to sign with San Jose long-term? If Karlsson gets at least $10 million that will be $25 million for their top 3 defensemen next season. The Sharks forward group could be thin up front with Couture and Thornton being UFAs this coming off-season. Not sure if paying $25 million to three guys on defense is the best way to go.
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When they're the best top 3 in the league, it might not be a bad way to go. Particularly when you don't have an elite #1C anymore (or any time soon based on the prospect pool). They might have to be back-heavy, which as Nashville has shown, isn't a bad way to do it. I suspect the Preds will be in a similar situation once they re-sign Josi.
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09-13-2018, 12:57 PM
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#146
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Pigeon Lake
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Why would Ottawa gut the team before the season even starts for this terrible return?? You would think Karlsson would be worth at least this all season long.
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09-13-2018, 12:57 PM
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#147
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Yup.
Probably a lot of fans wondering why their team couldn't do this.
I think it was a case of San Jose throwing a line in with their bid and patience paid off when OTT panicked about getting something done before camp.
Too bad Treliving didn't offer some spare parts and a 1st as well, just in case.
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Had he not made the Hamonic trade I'm sure Treliving would have been all over this. There's a point where giving up all those first and 2nd round picks would have really hindered this organization's ability to improve past what they are today.
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09-13-2018, 12:57 PM
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#148
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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that official tweet by the Sens is grim too. "Most important trade in rebuild" ... how are they going to sell any tickets? That fanbase must have enough of that gong-show by now. I can't wait to see what peanuts they are flipping Duchene for.
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09-13-2018, 12:58 PM
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#149
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Too bad Treliving didn't offer some spare parts and a 1st as well, just in case.
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He might actually have won. Then Karlsson doesn't re-sign in Calgary, and the team is out yet another 1st-round pick and has trashed its depth for nothing.
‘Be careful what you ask for, because you might get it.’
This isn't a good deal for Ottawa, but if it's true that none of this is contingent on Karlsson re-signing with San Jose, it could blow up in the Sharks' face very badly.
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09-13-2018, 12:58 PM
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#150
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Uncle Chester
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Tierney is decent and Balcers is a good prospect but...magic beans.
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09-13-2018, 12:58 PM
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#151
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by IGGYFORMVP
Why would Ottawa gut the team before the season even starts for this terrible return?
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Obviously so that they can draft Jack H...
...Oh. Right. Oh my.
Er, obviously so that Colorado can draft Jack Hughes.
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09-13-2018, 12:59 PM
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#152
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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With all that cap space the Sens could sign a big name UFA next off season. some one like Erik Karlsson.
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09-13-2018, 12:59 PM
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#153
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Originally Posted by alan21
Karlsson AND Burns on the same roster.
That's not even fair.
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Especially on the point during a PP 
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09-13-2018, 12:59 PM
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#154
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Franchise Player
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I'm so bored of the San Jose Sharks.
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09-13-2018, 12:59 PM
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#155
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Calgary
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I may be in the minority but I think this is a decent trade for Ottawa given the circumstances. Karlsson was going to go no matter what and teams kickstarting a rebuild usually lose the trades for the star players.
Too bad they lose out on their own first this year but you can start a rebuild at any time with any core. If they miss out on Hughes, there's always the next one. Even if Hughes is the next McDavid (which he isn't), the past few years have shown that doesn't guarantee you a cup.
DeMelo and Norris are solid young players and the picks will help.
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09-13-2018, 01:00 PM
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#156
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
that official tweet by the Sens is grim too. "Most important trade in rebuild" ... how are they going to sell any tickets? That fanbase must have enough of that gong-show by now. I can't wait to see what peanuts they are flipping Duchene for.
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My guess is they will **** this up too and throw a bunch of money and term at Duchene.
They will attempt to save face on that horrible trade and make him the face of the franchise.
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09-13-2018, 01:01 PM
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#157
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Section 120
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I think this would be equivalent to the Flames trading:
Mark Jankowski
Brett Kulak
Rasmus Andersson
Morgan Klimchuk
2020 1st
2019 2nd
2 Conditional Picks
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09-13-2018, 01:01 PM
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#158
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nik-
I'm so bored of the San Jose Sharks.
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the arena is so dark
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09-13-2018, 01:01 PM
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#159
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Apr 2011
Exp: 
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I wish SJ had been taken to the woodshed on this, but as a hockey fan am thrilled to have Karlsson in the division. An absolute joy to watch live. And beating the best willl make Calgary’s Cup run all the sweeter.
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09-13-2018, 01:04 PM
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#160
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fotiou22
I wish SJ had been taken to the woodshed on this, but as a hockey fan am thrilled to have Karlsson in the division. An absolute joy to watch live. And beating the best willl make Calgary’s Cup run all the sweeter.
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I eagerly look forward to seeing this explode in SJ's face.
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