[Signing] Hanifin signs. 6 years, $4.95M AAV

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Split98

Straight up, what's a Hanifin/Nurse trade look like?

Honest question.

You mean other than Tre laughing and hanging up the phone?

[getbak]

Sure Hanifin only played 18:52 per game, but he was still able to put up more points than any other defenceman on the Hurricanes -- or the Oilers. He had 6 more points in 3 fewer games than Nurse despite averaging 3:23 less ice time per game.

Also, he did that in his third full NHL season as a 20 year-old. At the same age, Nurse played his first full NHL season and put up a total of 10 points while averaging over 20 minutes per game.

[Ashasx]

A lot of detractors of this deal (@MoneyPuckSys) keep saying weird things like "if he stays where he’s at it’s a big overpay".

Since when is 21 even close to the peak age for a defenceman? This is such a weird argument.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Split98

Straight up, what's a Hanifin/Nurse trade look like?

Honest question.

Hanifin has 239 career games and 83 points

Nurse has 197 career games and 49 points

I'd say Hanifin has the edge in value imo.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Hanifin has 239 career games and 83 points

Nurse has 197 career games and 49 points

I'd say Hanifin has the edge in value imo.

Hanifin is also 2 years younger.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't see next year as a problem at all. Sources of cap space at their disposal, in order of likelihood IMO:

1) the cap will go up, probably $2 - $3M (as usual)
2) Smith, as a 37 year old UFA, re-signs for significantly less (maybe $2.5-3M range?)
3) Stone - by next year, Andersson and/or Vlaimaki have (hopefully) replaced him
4) Frolik - if Bennett takes a big step and needs to get paid, then Frolik becomes expendable (if Bennett doesn't take a big step, they won't need to move Frolik, so it works either way)

Lots of options.

Stone and Frolik leaving seem like probable options, although depending on their play this year they may not return much, if anything.

I don't see a scenario where Smith is playing for the Flames next year at $2.5 to $3M per. As the starter?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Murph

Capfriendly says $14.1M in cap space assuming no cap increase. $7M for Tkachuk and $4M for Bennett, leaves ~$3M for 2 fourth liners and a #7. That leaves the cap increase for your goalie (this year’s increase was $4.5M). If that’s not enough, Micheal Stone’s remaining year at $3.5M should be easy to move. Added bonus is that it opens up a spot for another young defenceman.

The cap increase this year was the largest since 2012, and in large part this was due to the enormous success of the new VGK franchise. I don't believe it will spike like that again for the next couple years.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Split98

Straight up, what's a Hanifin/Nurse trade look like?

Honest question.

Looks bad for the Flames.

Hanifin is 2 years younger with a much higher ceiling.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by getbak

Sure Hanifin only played 18:52 per game, but he was still able to put up more points than any other defenceman on the Hurricanes -- or the Oilers. He had 6 more points in 3 fewer games than Nurse despite averaging 3:23 less ice time per game.

Also, he did that in his third full NHL season as a 20 year-old. At the same age, Nurse played his first full NHL season and put up a total of 10 points while averaging over 20 minutes per game.

I am particularly fond of this argument:

Originally Posted by Mouth-breathing Oilers fan

"after looking at the stats, Nurse outscored Hanafin at ES, takes tougher zone draws against tougher competition and comes out ahead on every stat compared to Hanifin..."

Originally Posted by Stained sweatpants-wearing Oilers fan

"Hanifin depends on the powerplay for production, gets killed at ES while being sheltered..."

Nurse had 26 ES points compared to Hanifin's 25, with no points on the powerplay. Yeah, he is just killing Hanifin at even strength.

[Enoch Root]

At the same age that Hanifin is, Nurse had played 71 games and had 10 points. Hanifin has significantly more value.

[Enoch Root]

Staples took the only stat he could find (TOI) to try and present Nurse as the more valuable player, because he knows that the Nurse contract is going to have a higher AAV.

What a joke that clown is.

[SportsJunky]

I’m in Edmonton today. Listening to the local TSN radio channel they were comparing Nurse to Hanifin and wondering what Nurse will end up with. They conceded Hanifin was the better Dman in many ways even though he is younger. Their guess was $4.25M on a long term contract for Nurse.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by CedarMeter

@dstaples
David Staples Retweeted CapFriendly
A lot of money for a d-man who played 18:52 per game last year.

Noah Hanifin's $4.95M AAV represents the 26th highest cap hit among left handed defensemen for the 2018-19 season.

Talk about dragging a stat from the depths of hades to try to make a negative argument.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

You mean other than Tre laughing and hanging up the phone?

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Hanifin has 239 career games and 83 points

Nurse has 197 career games and 49 points

I'd say Hanifin has the edge in value imo.

Originally Posted by getbak

Hanifin is also 2 years younger.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Looks bad for the Flames.

Hanifin is 2 years younger with a much higher ceiling.

Thanks!

An Ontarian Edmonton fan (read: doesn't watch hockey much, and very aware his team blows) mentioned that he really liked Hanifin, but couldn't see the trade fitting for them with Nurse coming up. Thought it was odd at the time, and that I didn't have a good read on either of those guys. Which was unsurprising given how much I follow the Hurricanes and Oilers...

Contract talks surrounding these two reminded me about that. So, we should expect 5.5+ for 2 years out of Edmonton then?

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by dammage79

How about we leave the Oilers out of it. Eff them and eff talking about them constantly. They suck and still have the 2nd best player in the world while still sucking. Nothing to see there.

The entire Calgary Flame fan mindset is built upon being anti-Oiler. I don't think they could exist without the Oilers or referencing the Oilers every other post. Just look how popular the Edmonton is no good thread is. Every team has its rivals, but I think Flames fans are unique in how they take their obsession with Edmonton to an unparalleled level. Asking a Flames fan not to talk about Edmonton is like asking a vegan not to talk about how eating meat is so bad.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Where would you rank Hanifin compared to the other 3 ? They are all good players but pretty sure that Hanifin would be #4 on most analysts ranking of players.

If Nurse/Morrissey/Theodore sign the same contract as Hanifin it would be considered as a hometown discount.

Originally Posted by Nelson

Probably:
Morrissey
Theodore
Nurse
Hanifin

It’s really apples and oranges though, I think you’d have to compare 2021-21 Hanifin to 2018-19 Morrissey, Theodore and Nurse to get a proper read. Also, I don’t know enough about Morrissey, Theodore and Nurse to properly evaluate them.

What the hell are you two talking about? Hanifin is easily the most highly touted of the 3.

Morrissey had a breakout season offensively, at the age of 23 (26 points), giving him 46 points for his career (Hanifin has 83 and is 2 years younger).

Theordore had a breakout season at 23, (29 points), giving him 46 career points.

And Nurse has 47 career points.

All of these guys are 2 years older than Hanifin and have half the career points. He is EASILY the most highly touted.

Suggesting he is at the bottom of that list is laughable.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by pseudoreality

The entire Calgary Flame fan mindset is built upon being anti-Oiler. I don't think they could exist without the Oilers or referencing the Oilers every other post. Just look how popular the Edmonton is no good thread is. Every team has its rivals, but I think Flames fans are unique in how they take their obsession with Edmonton to an unparalleled level. Asking a Flames fan not to talk about Edmonton is like asking a vegan not to talk about how eating meat is so bad.

lol, okay dude

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am particularly fond of this argument:


Nurse had 26 ES points compared to Hanifin's 25, with no points on the powerplay. Yeah, he is just killing Hanifin at even strength.

Thats SWEET! If Hanafin is getting killed by Nurse and he got 4.95, Nurse should be getting the classic oilers 6x7. Make it so Chia. Wait.... What? Your saying you have under 3 million? How did that happen? uh huh... okay... I see. So whats the plan then? Hello? Are you still there? Oh there you are, I thought our call got dropped. What do you mean, ask Kevin?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Stone and Frolik leaving seem like probable options, although depending on their play this year they may not return much, if anything.

I don't see a scenario where Smith is playing for the Flames next year at $2.5 to $3M per. As the starter?

You don't see a scenario where Smith re-signs at a lower price? At 37 years old? What do you think he'll get paid?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by pseudoreality

The entire Calgary Flame fan mindset is built upon being anti-Oiler. I don't think they could exist without the Oilers or referencing the Oilers every other post. Just look how popular the Edmonton is no good thread is. Every team has its rivals, but I think Flames fans are unique in how they take their obsession with Edmonton to an unparalleled level. Asking a Flames fan not to talk about Edmonton is like asking a vegan not to talk about how eating meat is so bad.

The Edmonton Oilers are like that guy in high school who was the man but peaked and now just pumps gas, reminiscences about the glory days, and hopes winning the lottery will bring back the glory days.

We have one thread where we rip on the worse hockey team and by far the worse city. The constant arrogance that comes out of that dump makes it so easy to keep piling on.