07-26-2018, 09:49 AM
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#241
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
Fan 960 must have been reading CP since they too made it known that it would be upsetting if it's simply a FaF ceremony and not a jersey retirement. The Flames have heard the message loud and clear no doubt; retire the jersey and don't half-ass it.
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07-26-2018, 09:59 AM
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#242
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Kelowna
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When I think of him I think of how warm his presence is and the way he treats everyone with the same level of respect, even to those who did not reciprocate it. Everything he did was done with class and humility, grace and perseverance. I'll never forget the way he made me so proud to be a Flames fan, and how every team wished they had their own Iginla because of how rare it truly it is to find all these things packed into one human.
Kind of makes me wonder if theirs any current Flames that could have potential to be this generations Iginla, and all I can think of is maybe Tkachuk.
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07-26-2018, 10:52 AM
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#243
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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Originally Posted by DomeFoam
When I think of him I think of how warm his presence is and the way he treats everyone with the same level of respect, even to those who did not reciprocate it. Everything he did was done with class and humility, grace and perseverance. I'll never forget the way he made me so proud to be a Flames fan, and how every team wished they had their own Iginla because of how rare it truly it is to find all these things packed into one human.
Kind of makes me wonder if theirs any current Flames that could have potential to be this generations Iginla, and all I can think of is maybe Tkachuk.
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No one will ever replicate what he did from 2000-2013
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07-26-2018, 11:55 AM
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#244
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Truly the GOAT for the franchise. I feel privileged for having had the opportunity to grow up watching his entire career unfold. Flames fans were lucky to have a player like that wearing the jersey for so many years. A real icon.
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07-26-2018, 11:56 AM
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#245
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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The guy on the roster that is even close to bringing what Iggy did is Gio, but less so in pretty much every facet. Peak Gio = top ten defenceman. Peak Iggy = best player in the league. But Gio is a great leader in his own right, plays hard every game, has talent to back up the work ethic. will drop the gloves (though not an initiator like Iggy could be).
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07-26-2018, 12:49 PM
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#246
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
The guy on the roster that is even close to bringing what Iggy did is Gio, but less so in pretty much every facet. Peak Gio = top ten defenceman. Peak Iggy = best player in the league. But Gio is a great leader in his own right, plays hard every game, has talent to back up the work ethic. will drop the gloves (though not an initiator like Iggy could be).
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Iggy was never "best in the league", but I do believe he was the most complete player for a long while.
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07-26-2018, 12:54 PM
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#247
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by saXon
Iggy was never "best in the league", but I do believe he was the most complete player for a long while.
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I would put to you that being Art Ross, Richard, and Pearson winner, first team all-star, and getting robbed of the Hart by one point, makes one the “best in the league”.
That’s 2001-02 Jarome.
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07-26-2018, 12:58 PM
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#248
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#1 Goaltender
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Hopefully just a head fake and they announce a contract. Pretty unlikely but I remember Oprah saying sometimes you just gotta believe.
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07-26-2018, 01:09 PM
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#249
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
I would put to you that being Art Ross, Richard, and Pearson winner, first team all-star, and getting robbed of the Hart by one point, makes one the “best in the league”.
That’s 2001-02 Jarome.
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Especially when you consider that the competition for the Hart (which he was cheated out of winning) was a goalie.
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07-26-2018, 01:14 PM
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#250
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Steve Bozek
Especially when you consider that the competition for the Hart (which he was cheated out of winning) was a goalie.
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And that, had he been even fifth on the ballot that left him off, he would have won.
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07-26-2018, 01:22 PM
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#251
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saXon
Iggy was never "best in the league", but I do believe he was the most complete player for a long while.
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There was a small window where he was the best. And if he was the most complete player, that's a pretty good argument for being the best right there.
NHL players voted him the best in the league in 2002, when he won the Ross and Richard trophies. Should've won the Hart.
Trevor Linden said "you are the best player in the league" to Jarome when they shook hands in Linden's last game. And it was true.
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07-26-2018, 04:47 PM
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#252
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
I would put to you that being Art Ross, Richard, and Pearson winner, first team all-star, and getting robbed of the Hart by one point, makes one the “best in the league”.
That’s 2001-02 Jarome.
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Sure, that's great. Some hardware. McDavid has a bunch of hardware. Then label McDavid as "best in the league" as well, which we all know McDavid isn't the best.
Bertuzzi was 3rd in the league in scoring that year, was he 3rd best in the league? Was Naslund 2nd best? 
Jagr played 69 games and had 79 points. Want me to list his hardware too? Jarome was a complete player, but he didn't top the likes of a player such as Jagr.
Iggy has never been considered "best in the league". He had a great year.
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07-26-2018, 04:56 PM
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#253
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by saXon
Sure, that's great. Some hardware. McDavid has a bunch of hardware. Then label McDavid as "best in the league" as well, which we all know McDavid isn't the best.
Bertuzzi was 3rd in the league in scoring that year, was he 3rd best in the league? Was Naslund 2nd best?
Jagr played 69 games and had 79 points. Want me to list his hardware too? Jarome was a complete player, but he didn't top the likes of a player such as Jagr.
Iggy has never been considered "best in the league". He had a great year. |
Who do you consider was the best player in the league in those years? Jags wasn’t the best player in the league during those years.
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07-26-2018, 04:59 PM
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#254
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by saXon
Sure, that's great. Some hardware. McDavid has a bunch of hardware. Then label McDavid as "best in the league" as well, which we all know McDavid isn't the best.
Bertuzzi was 3rd in the league in scoring that year, was he 3rd best in the league? Was Naslund 2nd best?
Jagr played 69 games and had 79 points. Want me to list his hardware too? Jarome was a complete player, but he didn't top the likes of a player such as Jagr.
Iggy has never been considered "best in the league". He had a great year. |
First, McDavid probably is the best pure hockey player in the league. If not now, he will be in the next couple of years. That's obvious just from watching him.
Second, Iggy did have a great year. And another. And another. To compare him to the likes of Bertuzzi and Naslund is asinine. He had better longevity and a better peak. He killed it at the Olympics, led the league in scoring, and dragged his team to the final, all in a three year span where he truly was the best.
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07-26-2018, 05:00 PM
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#255
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Red Deer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saXon
Sure, that's great. Some hardware. McDavid has a bunch of hardware. Then label McDavid as "best in the league" as well, which we all know McDavid isn't the best.
Bertuzzi was 3rd in the league in scoring that year, was he 3rd best in the league? Was Naslund 2nd best?
Jagr played 69 games and had 79 points. Want me to list his hardware too? Jarome was a complete player, but he didn't top the likes of a player such as Jagr.
Iggy has never been considered "best in the league". He had a great year. |
Strange, I remember a year or two around that season where experts often argued that he was the best player in the game at the time.
This isn't homerism. Hockey minds generally agreed he was at the top of the pyramid for a while.
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07-26-2018, 05:04 PM
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#256
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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Originally Posted by N-E-B
If they "Forever a Flame" Iggy I will organize a rally in protest of that. Probably send a few scathing emails the Flames way as well.
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I really don't think we have anything to worry about. FaF players have had their numbers worn by others afterward. 12, 14 and 34 haven't. They'll get retired
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07-26-2018, 05:04 PM
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#257
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Jason14h
Who do you consider was the best player in the league in those years? Jags wasn’t the best player in the league during those years.
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No? 121 points in 81 games the previous year isn't good enough? Consistently being top 5 in any category?
Sakic being consistently in the top 5 doesn't count either?
For as many statisticians that there are on this site, an outlier year quantifying a player as best in the league is a pretty shallow argument.
Regardless if he's a frqnchise player close to our hearts or not.
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07-26-2018, 05:08 PM
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#258
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by saXon
Sure, that's great. Some hardware. McDavid has a bunch of hardware. Then label McDavid as "best in the league" as well, which we all know McDavid isn't the best.
Bertuzzi was 3rd in the league in scoring that year, was he 3rd best in the league? Was Naslund 2nd best?
Jagr played 69 games and had 79 points. Want me to list his hardware too? Jarome was a complete player, but he didn't top the likes of a player such as Jagr.
Iggy has never been considered "best in the league". He had a great year. |
I think you can absolutely make the argument that Jarome was the best player in the world for stretches and particularly in the 02 and 04 seasons.
You could probably argue he wasn't, but I don't think you're doing a very good job, and in a thread like this, the burden is definitely on you.
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07-26-2018, 05:10 PM
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#259
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
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I love the fact that everybody in the city basically has a different "Man, Iginla was so awesome to me" story.
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07-26-2018, 05:18 PM
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#260
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saXon
Iggy has never been considered "best in the league". He had a great year.
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There are different ways to consider 'best in league' but by many parameters you could make that argument that he was in 2001-2002. another way is to look at a longer body of work. I believe he was a Hart finalist 3 times between 2002-2008 (finishing 2nd twice), so while we can quibble whether he was actually ever THE best in the league I believe there was a strong argument that he was in 2001-2002 or in the longer picture from 2001-2008 he was frequently in the discussion as the league's best player if you prefer a longer view
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