Melinda Karlsson alleges Hoffman's fiancée is behind campaign of harassment

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The fact that it's taken so long for any concrete evidence to come out about this makes me more than a little suspicious regarding the validity of the Karlssons' assertions.

I agree that until she’s proven guilty we shouldn’t assume anything, but it’s only been a few days. Sometimes these things can take a while. I see no reason to doubt their claims at this point.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MBates

It is dangerous to rely on electronic hearsay evidence if you really need to prove something in dispute.

Similarly making assumptions about how humans will behave by using a rational analysis can be seriously misleading.

https://twitter.com/thestarcalgary/s...30748806385664

Electronic 'evidence' can be faked quite easily. And the truth is often stranger than fiction.

Court proceedings are painfully slow when there is a social media storm around an issue. There really is no way to fully assess this until more information is publicly available.

I agree with most of what you said but I'm confused about what you mean by electronic hearsay evidence. The sworn complaint has been published. Or did you mean the other wives' tweets?

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The fact that it's taken so long for any concrete evidence to come out about this makes me more than a little suspicious regarding the validity of the Karlssons' assertions.

At this point you have multiple women close to Karlsson coming out in support and claiming to have knowledge of this behaviour already.

Regardless of "concrete evidence" that hasn't been released, I think the truth is pretty obvious. No one is in a rush to release information to the media, and the Karlsson's even went the least obstructive and overt legal route with a Peace Bond.

I honestly doubt we even see any more information released from their family at this point.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I agree with most of what you said but I'm confused about what you mean by electronic hearsay evidence. The sworn complaint has been published. Or did you mean the other wives' tweets?

I was meaning to reference the risk of people taking say an email or text message which purports to be from a specific person and just concluding it is what it purports to be.

I am amazed at how often I get disclosure where the 'evidence' presented of a harassing series of messages are photographs of a screen of a cell phone displaying a message with the name of the accused at the top. No actual data is obtained as part of the investigation.

There is zero ability to authenticate that type of 'evidence' and yet experienced legally trained people will say "this is a harassing text from the accused." It could be, but you have no proof whatsoever that is what it is.

I have a very qualified computer forensics expert I rely on to tell me things you could never otherwise know about online posts, text messages, digital photos / videos etc. In the end that kind of evidence is what you really need.

That same expert can show you how in about 10 minutes he can fabricate messages that look authentic and could offer them up as proof that the Prime Minister said or did something horrible. Lots of people can be fooled very easily this way.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by MBates

I was meaning to reference the risk of people taking say an email or text message which purports to be from a specific person and just concluding it is what it purports to be.

I am amazed at how often I get disclosure where the 'evidence' presented of a harassing series of messages are photographs of a screen of a cell phone displaying a message with the name of the accused at the top. No actual data is obtained as part of the investigation.

There is zero ability to authenticate that type of 'evidence' and yet experienced legally trained people will say "this is a harassing text from the accused." It could be, but you have no proof whatsoever that is what it is.

I have a very qualified computer forensics expert I rely on to tell me things you could never otherwise know about online posts, text messages, digital photos / videos etc. In the end that kind of evidence is what you really need.

That same expert can show you how in about 10 minutes he can fabricate messages that look authentic and could offer them up as proof that the Prime Minister said or did something horrible. Lots of people can be fooled very easily this way.

No need! He does this everyday! Too bad for us its run this country

[TheScorpion]

Oh boy.

[iloveicedhockey]

Confirmed: Shot in the Backlund is Roger millions' burner.

Innocent until proven guilty from a legal standpoint, certainly. However, GMs will have to make a call before the verdict is out, and the "Hoffman's" statement is as fishy as a pelicans beak.

[EldrickOnIce]

Yeah. As said it smells bad. When you didn't do it, you didn't do it. You don't ask for proof. You don't work with them to get to the bottom of it. Guys like OJ talk about helping track down the real perps.

Which maybe only means she is(they are) bat#### crazy, but not guilty.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Confirmed: Shot in the Backlund is Roger millions' burner.

Innocent until proven guilty from a legal standpoint, certainly. However, GMs will have to make a call before the verdict is out, and the "Hoffman's" statement is as fishy as a pelicans beak.

Hmmmmmmm

[1qqaaz]

It's amazing how much things have fallen apart since Bryan Murray stopped managing the team.

Makes me wonder if he was the glue holding it all together.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by MBates

I was meaning to reference the risk of people taking say an email or text message which purports to be from a specific person and just concluding it is what it purports to be.

I am amazed at how often I get disclosure where the 'evidence' presented of a harassing series of messages are photographs of a screen of a cell phone displaying a message with the name of the accused at the top. No actual data is obtained as part of the investigation.

There is zero ability to authenticate that type of 'evidence' and yet experienced legally trained people will say "this is a harassing text from the accused." It could be, but you have no proof whatsoever that is what it is.

I have a very qualified computer forensics expert I rely on to tell me things you could never otherwise know about online posts, text messages, digital photos / videos etc. In the end that kind of evidence is what you really need.

That same expert can show you how in about 10 minutes he can fabricate messages that look authentic and could offer them up as proof that the Prime Minister said or did something horrible. Lots of people can be fooled very easily this way.

What's wrong with electronic evidence?!

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It's amazing how much things have fallen apart since Bryan Murray stopped managing the team.

Makes me wonder if he was the glue holding it all together.

Virtually every single person with an insight inside the Sens organization believes that to be the case.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I agree that until she’s proven guilty we shouldn’t assume anything, but it’s only been a few days. Sometimes these things can take a while. I see no reason to doubt their claims at this point.

It was March when this was first brought up. It just hit the media a few days ago but the original claim was back in March.

[Cantrader]

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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Cantrader

’False Dion rumour’

No ones. He was a selfish player and clashing with teammates.

[GullFoss]

TlDr; pots and kettles attract more than opposites do.

[sureLoss]

Caryk files an application to get Karlsson to disclose any information they have on the harassment

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/2...-erik-karlsson

News Update

Monika Caryk, the fiancée of current Florida Panthers forward Mike Hoffman, has filed an application with the Ontario Superior Court of Justice to disclose information in a cyberbullying scandal involving Melinda Karlsson, the wife of Ottawa Senators player Erik Karlsson.

Caryk filed the application, called a Norwich Order, on Thursday, according to court documents obtained by ESPN. In an attempt to clear her name, Caryk is looking for Melinda Karlsson to disclose any information she has pertaining to the alleged harassment.

Caryk's court document also says that on June 21, her lawyer called Ms. Karlsson's lawyer and asked him to provide or describe any information the Karlsson's had in their possession relating to the cyberbullying.

"He said he was instructed not to by his client," Caryk's court document says.

The Peace Bond is currently under seal with the Court. When the allegations first surfaced, the Senators released a statement that said the organization is "investigating this matter in co-operation with the NHL and will take whatever steps are necessary to protect the safety and privacy of our players and their families."

According to Caryk's court application, "no such investigation has taken place to my knowledge."

[Northendzone]

Wonder what the karlsson’s are playing their cards close to their best and not willing to divulge anything they have.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Wonder what the karlsson’s are playing their cards close to their best and not willing to divulge anything they have.

That is sometimes the vest way to go.

[Poe969]

Vest. Comment. Ever.