Star Trek or Star Wars

[OutOfTheCube]

Yeah “In the Pale Moonlight” is right up there with “City on the Edge of Forever” and “The Inner Light” as the best in the franchise.

[zamler]

Surprised this poll is so close. Star Wars is great in its own way but 'Trek is a much richer universe in so many ways.

[rotten42]

[FireFly]

Last night I watched the season finale of Big Bang Theory from my PVR and it reminded me of this discussion. I grew up watching TNG and never could get into Star Wars for some reason.



I never really watched any after that but now with all the new Star Wars movies that have come out, I have watched those. I still don't like them. I do like the new Star Trek movies though. Perhaps it's because they make better standalone films? I find there's too much going on in the Star Wars movies and they only make sense if you watch the rest or otherwise know the story.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I forgot to mention that Dr. Who trumps all of these shows for me. Such a rich universe that can be constantly reinvented season after season.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

star trek used to be about those things. no longer.

Sadly true. The new movies and Discovery have nothing to do with science or moral quandaries. Honestly, SF - narrative that is about the challenges posed by technology and humanity's role in the universe - is virtually dead as a genre. Every couple years or so we get an Arrival or Interstellar. But SF has been more or less abandoned by television and novels.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sadly true. The new movies and Discovery have nothing to do with science or moral quandaries. Honestly, SF - narrative that is about the challenges posed by technology and humanity's role in the universe - is virtually dead as a genre. Every couple years or so we get an Arrival or Interstellar. But SF has been more or less abandoned by television and novels.

I think the new movies and shows have a lot to do with science and moral quandaries, it's just trendy to hate on them.

Say what you want about Discovery, and it had issues, but it had the best first season of a Star Trek show since TOS. TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, and even DS9 first seasons were pretty much boring slogs that even dedicated fans have trouble finding bright spots in. At least Discovery had some excitement and a couple cool episodes, even if they bungled at the finish line. I think it has potential to be a great show and give us some episodes that really fit in with the classics.

[zamler]

I found Discovery mostly unwatchable the show made me angry more often than not. The Expanse is the closest thing we have to a cerebral sci-fi series.

[CaptainCrunch]

Discovery was awful, the writing was awful the concept was awful, the last part of the season which should have been a positive was awful. The effects were awful, they wasted a great actor in Jason Isaacs who became the dumbest villian in Trek Lore except for the hippies in the original series. And the ending where they tried to boost excitement by making the show seem like its the continual adventures of the Star Ship Enterprise, oh and the discovery is there too.


I went from watching the show because it was trek, to watching the show to see how many times they could run a train into a brick wall every episode.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Roddenberry Trek worked in the 60s really well, but the static execution of his vision by his successors like Rick Berman resulted in the hokiness that was the first two seasons of TNG, Voyager, and Enterprise. Thank God he left DS9 to head up a different creative team because he thought Voyager was the "better" project and let Steven Ira Behr and Ronald D Moore take over.

He was also a misogynistic sleazeball on set apparently and responsible for the Seven of Nine and T'Pol's outfits among other TNG reject script ideas that made it into Voyager and Enterprise + Star Trek Nemesis... *barf*

god bless that man

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sadly true. The new movies and Discovery have nothing to do with science or moral quandaries. Honestly, SF - narrative that is about the challenges posed by technology and humanity's role in the universe - is virtually dead as a genre. Every couple years or so we get an Arrival or Interstellar. But SF has been more or less abandoned by television and novels.

Maybe I'm misreading your post but Science Fiction has never been more popular as a Genre than right now.

Black Mirror
Westworld
Altered Carbon
Orville
Stranger Things (not quite sci fi but certainly hits the themes)
Sense8
OA
The Expanse

[White Out 403]

[Plinket voice]
#### you Rick Berman!
[/Plinket]

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by GGG

Maybe I'm misreading your post but Science Fiction has never been more popular as a Genre than right now.

Black Mirror
Westworld
Altered Carbon
Orville
Stranger Things (not quite sci fi but certainly hits the themes)
Sense8
OA
The Expanse

Movies like Annihilation, Blade Runner 2049, Arrival, Midnight Special, The Martian, Ex Machina, and War for the Planet of the Apes were also very good.

Unfortunately most of these types of films tend to slip through the cracks because they just can't compete with massive blockbuster franchises like Marvel and Star Wars. The one exception on this list being The Martian, which ended up being a surprise hit.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Discovery was awful, the writing was awful the concept was awful, the last part of the season which should have been a positive was awful. The effects were awful, they wasted a great actor in Jason Isaacs who became the dumbest villian in Trek Lore except for the hippies in the original series. And the ending where they tried to boost excitement by making the show seem like its the continual adventures of the Star Ship Enterprise, oh and the discovery is there too.


I went from watching the show because it was trek, to watching the show to see how many times they could run a train into a brick wall every episode.

Why you picking on the hippies? Loved that episode and they weren’t exactly villains.

[CofR]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

[Plinket voice]
#### you Rick Berman!
[/Plinket]

I love the Plinkett reviews so much

[AltaGuy]

The reboot of BSG is still the best sci-fi show ever to me.

[CaptainCrunch]

Any time there's an opportunity to take a run at hippies, I'm all over it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

The reboot of BSG is still the best sci-fi show ever to me.

Well the first few years was, the last couple of years just wasn't that good, I think that the writers never really got what the phrase was "They have a plan" when it came to the Cylons.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Well the first few years was, the last couple of years just wasn't that good, I think that the writers never really got what the phrase was "They have a plan" when it came to the Cylons.

"The have a plan", and then the plan went off the rails. They are machines and had trouble adapting to illogical human circumstances. They tried a couple of new plans and came to the conclusion that humans are annoying.

[Locke]

Hm...I've never watched Battlestar Galactica. Any good? I dont think I'd have the patience to watch the original so if I were so inclined could I just jump right into the modern one?