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[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyler Parsons involved if something does happen.

2019 1st round pick
2020 2nd round pick
Tyler Parsons, David Rittich or Jon Gillies
Rasmus Andersson

Ya i would rather just keep what we have in that case. Huge no to trading parsons

[OutOfTheCube]

It's not a trade that gets done without a 1st round pick or equivalent prospect (like Valimaki). Of course the prevailing opinion here would be "Acquire high value piece for one medium value piece + stuff nobody wants" but that trade is unlikely to happen. I don't think the Sabres are at all worried about having ROR on the team in the fall if nobody wants to pay a good price, especially since we'll have already paid him his salary pretty quickly here.

[GranteedEV]

Bennett outproduced ROR 5 on 5 last year in significantly few minutes with worse linemates. Unless you think ROR unseats Monahan on PP1 it would be a disaster or Brouwer level proportions. He's a good player but an awful contract even withot giving away a good young player never mind multiple.

[OutOfTheCube]

Considering O'Reilly had 34 even strength points and Bennett had 26 points total, that sounds pretty made up.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Can't believe I just watched 4 doofuses argue over who should be the captain of the Leafs next season for what felt like an hour.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Bennett outproduced ROR 5 on 5 last year in significantly few minutes with worse linemates. Unless you think ROR unseats Monahan on PP1 it would be a disaster or Brouwer level proportions. He's a good player but an awful contract even withot giving away a good young player never mind multiple.

2 years ago, O'Reilly was on the Canadian world Cup team.

Playing for the Sabres breaks people. They really are the Rusty Oilers.

But playing for us breaks people too. So who knows.

[JurassicTunga12]

Treliving should be coming up shortly on the fan960

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Considering O'Reilly had 34 even strength points and Bennett had 26 points total, that sounds pretty made up.

ROR - 7G 14A 21P in 1169 minutes <- Most common linemates Sam Reinhart, Kyle Okposo, Benoit Pouliot

Bennett - 10G 12A 22P in 978 minutes <- Most common linemates Mark Jankowski, Garnet Hathaway, an old injured guy resembling Jaromir Jagr

Even looking at the last handful of years Bennett's been more productive 5 on 5 and I don't think that's because he was playing with better linemates:


ROR as a Sabre: 26G 44A 70P in 3328 minutes
Bennett NHL career: 36G 38A 74P in 3128 minutes

IDK about you but I wouldn't build teams based on how guys produce 3 on 3 or even 4 on 4 since those things usually have more to do with whether or not you play than how you play, unless you're Gaudreau-level elite 3 on 3.


ROR IS a good player but he's no better than Backlund defensively, he's not unseating Monahan on the PP, and he's been outproduced by Bennett at 5 on 5. At that cap hit it wouldn't make any sense. It's going after a big name for the sake of going after a big name.

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

2 years ago, O'Reilly was on the Canadian world Cup team.

So were Shea Weber, Jay Bouwmeester, Jake Muzzin, and Corey Perry. What are you willing to give up for any of them?

[dieHARDflameZ]

Treliving just stated that they have other deals pending but won’t say anything until they’re finalized... whatever that means.

[OutOfTheCube]

O'Reilly makes Backlund expendable. He's a couple million more for better offensive #'s and better defensive prowess -- he's the best faceoff man in the league. Best defense is to not let the other team start with the puck to begin with. I see no reason why he wouldn't continue to see significant PP time in Calgary -- Buffalo also has another top center on their PP that he didn't take away from.

[GranteedEV]

Tre thinks Prout could be an Engelland type. Stone on the move?

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Treliving just stated that they have other deals pending but won’t say anything until they’re finalized...

Where is the interview?

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Where is the interview?

It was on the fan 960. It was a live presser. Not sure what has been said in the past ten minutes or so.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

O'Reilly makes Backlund expendable.

Yikes.

He's a couple million more for better offensive #'s

You're comparing a guy who was the obvious LHS forward on a RHS stacked Buffalo PP with Eichel, Reinhart, Ristolainen etc to a guy who's not playing that role on such a team. I don't doubt Backlund could put up the same numbers feeding Eichel for one-timers and I don't think ROR is some elite PP wizard.

Back to 5 v 5 though
ROR as a Sabre: 26G 44A 70P in 3328 minutes
Backlund last 3 years: 33G 52A 85P in 3178 minutes

Yeah, I don't see the better offensive numbers outside of ROR being in a cushy situation. This is not unlike the same issues I identified with Brouwer BEFORE we ever signed him.

and better defensive prowess

Based on what exactly? Just your opinion? Or do you have supporting evidence of that claim?

Backlund highest Selke finish - 4th, one year ago
ROR highest Selke finish - 6th, five years ago

Please don't say faceoff sta-

he's the best faceoff man in the league. Best defense is to not let the other team start with the puck to begin with.

Faceoffs are nice, but league-best faceoff man has been on the ice for exactly one fewer PK goal against than Backlund in ninety fewer minutes the last three years. Faceoffs are nice, but what you do after them absolutely matters and a TON of the game is played on the fly without any faceoff. There's very limited if any correlation between faceoffs and winning. And while having a faceoff guy is nice, it's usually a 4C of the ilk of Malhotra, Yelle or Cullen who takes those draws, not the centerpiece of team construction.

I see no reason why he wouldn't continue to see significant PP time in Calgary -- Buffalo also has another top center on their PP that he didn't take away from.

Eichel is a RHS sniper who plays the left circle in an Ovechkin type role.
Monahan is a LHS sniper who plays the bumper.
Gaudreau is a LHS playmaker who likes to play the half walls.
ROR is a LHS forward who either plays the bumper or right half wall.


One of these things is not like the other.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I do wonder if Neal is taking a risk not signing with someone right away. I recall an example from a few years back (that I can't remember) where a guy didn't sign right away and then signed for a lot less.
Seems like most of the big bank gets handed out on day 1.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I do wonder if Neal is taking a risk not signing with someone right away. I recall an example from a few years back (that I can't remember) where a guy didn't sign right away and then signed for a lot less.
Seems like most of the big bank gets handed out on day 1.

The term is likely what is holding Neal back.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I do wonder if Neal is taking a risk not signing with someone right away. I recall an example from a few years back (that I can't remember) where a guy didn't sign right away and then signed for a lot less.
Seems like most of the big bank gets handed out on day 1.

Wasn't that franson? He had a good deal on table for 4 years but thought he could do better. Ended up with a 1 year deal

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The term is likely what is holding Neal back.

Agreed and the fact that both Neal and the Sharks have been quiet makes me wonder if that's where he lands. But they are maybe also trying to figure out how much they will need to pay Joe.

[OutOfTheCube]

I guess I missed the part where "also being good on the power play" was not a positive attribute for a player.

If Bennett is so awesome why does Calgary never use him on the power play?

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Agreed and the fact that both Neal and the Sharks have been quiet makes me wonder if that's where he lands. But they are maybe also trying to figure out how much they will need to pay Joe.

Ya I'm guessing the Sharks circle back to Big Joe for another year.