[confirmed] Flames will go after Derek Ryan in FA

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

By all accounts, Ryan was their poor man's Mikael Backlund. Backs sees plenty of ice time in OT here and it's because he's strong on puck possession and sound defensively - Ryan looks to be the same type of player (not saying Ryan is as good as Backs).

I get it, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Backlund + Ryan be a pairing in OT for Calgary.

I wonder if Peters will be as consistent in starting OT as Gully was. You knew Backlund, Frolik, and Gio were starting every time.

[Enoch Root]

Some of the comments in this thread are just bizarre. But I am going to focus on one set of comments: those referring him to a 4th liner, and comparing him to Brouwer or the kids that 'deserve a shot'.

Ryan had 38 points last year. To put that in perspective, that is more than Pacioretty, Kreider, Tuch, Coyle, Grabner, Saad and Neiderreiter, to name a few of the higher-end players people have been lobbying for.

38 points puts you in the TOP 6 forwards on 21 of the other 30 teams. Yes, 21.

38 points puts you in the top 6 for 9 of the 16 playoff teams last year.

On the Stanley Cup champion Capitals, he would have been 6th

There were only 7 teams on which Ryan and his 38 points wouldn't have been top 6. On the following teams, he would have been:

TOR: 9th
BOS, TB, WIN: 8th
NAS, PIT, VEG: 7th.

So that's top 9 on all 30 teams (31 including Carolina)

And people are talking about him like he's Matt Stajan. We had the least productive bottom 6 in the NHL last year (for whatever reasons). Adding Ryan to the bottom 6 is not something that you should be calling for Treliving's head over.

[Sutter4Mayor]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Some of the comments in this thread are just bizarre. But I am going to focus on one set of comments: those referring him to a 4th liner, and comparing him to Brouwer or the kids that 'deserve a shot'.

Ryan had 38 points last year. To put that in perspective, that is more than Pacioretty, Kreider, Tuch, Coyle, Grabner, Saad and Neiderreiter, to name a few of the higher-end players people have been lobbying for.

38 points puts you in the TOP 6 forwards on 21 of the other 30 teams. Yes, 21.

38 points puts you in the top 6 for 9 of the 16 playoff teams last year.

On the Stanley Cup champion Capitals, he would have been 6th

There were only 7 teams on which Ryan and his 38 points wouldn't have been top 6. On the following teams, he would have been:

TOR: 9th
BOS, TB, WIN: 8th
NAS, PIT, VEG: 7th.

So that's top 9 on all 30 teams (31 including Carolina)

And people are talking about him like he's Matt Stajan. We had the least productive bottom 6 in the NHL last year (for whatever reasons). Adding Ryan to the bottom 6 is not something that you should be calling for Treliving's head over.

What a post. Well done. Needs a Mutombo finger wag added to it.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Do they?

Oh....did we add or did a team official say we have a leg up on any non-Carolina players? I missed it.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Some of the comments in this thread are just bizarre. But I am going to focus on one set of comments: those referring him to a 4th liner, and comparing him to Brouwer or the kids that 'deserve a shot'.

Ryan had 38 points last year. To put that in perspective, that is more than Pacioretty, Kreider, Tuch, Coyle, Grabner, Saad and Neiderreiter, to name a few of the higher-end players people have been lobbying for.

38 points puts you in the TOP 6 forwards on 21 of the other 30 teams. Yes, 21.

38 points puts you in the top 6 for 9 of the 16 playoff teams last year.

On the Stanley Cup champion Capitals, he would have been 6th

There were only 7 teams on which Ryan and his 38 points wouldn't have been top 6. On the following teams, he would have been:

TOR: 9th
BOS, TB, WIN: 8th
NAS, PIT, VEG: 7th.

So that's top 9 on all 30 teams (31 including Carolina)

And people are talking about him like he's Matt Stajan. We had the least productive bottom 6 in the NHL last year (for whatever reasons). Adding Ryan to the bottom 6 is not something that you should be calling for Treliving's head over.

My only issue is where does he slot in? 4th line C? Or does Jankowski get demoted to 4th line? If we don't give Jankowski the time, he'll never turn into the top 6 center that we've wanted him to become since we've drafted him.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

My only issue is where does he slot in? 4th line C? Or does Jankowski get demoted to 4th line? If we don't give Jankowski the time, he'll never turn into the top 6 center that we've wanted him to become since we've drafted him.

Unless they are bringing in Ryan to be a winger who can take face-offs...

[Toonage]

The way Peters runs the bench, Ryan could be 4C one shift and 3RW the next

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Oh....did we add or did a team official say we have a leg up on any non-Carolina players? I missed it.

Why does that matter? I don't doubt the Flames are making use of their head coach's knowledge about as many players as possible, but for a team that is looking to make improvements to its bottom-six forwards it seems eminently likely that the pro scouts would have Derek Ryan pretty high on their lists.

As for the recently acquired players, both Peters and Treliving confirmed that the coach had no input in the trade discussions. I suspect the pro scouts were as involved as they usually are.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Some of the comments in this thread are just bizarre. But I am going to focus on one set of comments: those referring him to a 4th liner, and comparing him to Brouwer or the kids that 'deserve a shot'.

Ryan had 38 points last year. To put that in perspective, that is more than Pacioretty, Kreider, Tuch, Coyle, Grabner, Saad and Neiderreiter, to name a few of the higher-end players people have been lobbying for.

And people are talking about him like he's Matt Stajan. We had the least productive bottom 6 in the NHL last year (for whatever reasons). Adding Ryan to the bottom 6 is not something that you should be calling for Treliving's head over.

Troy Brouwer scored 39 points the year before coming to the Flames as well, and now he's universally hated.

Carolina ran a 4 forward PP and rolled their lines much more evenly than the Flames.

Calgary played 2 D on the PP and played their top six a lot more than the Canes.

Now the question is whether Peters will run the bench like he did in Carolina or adapt to the personnel they have in Calgary.

If he runs the bench like he did in Calgary last season, if you aren't in the top two lines you aren't going to put up good point totals.

If Peters runs the bench as he did in Carolina, Ryan may be able to replicate his offensive totals, and perhaps a guy like Brouwer will have bounce back numbers.

Of course as always in the cap world, cap hit will be the biggest factor in the quality of this move.

Seems to me like the Flames aren't signing Ryan for the fourth line. He will be playing third line I would bet. Which bumps Jankowski to the 4th or the wing.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Troy Brouwer scored 39 points the year before coming to the Flames as well, and now he's universally hated.

Troy Brouwer was terrible on almost every measurable "advanced statistic" prior to signing here - it was known he was a leech and made his linemates worse.

Derek Ryan is the exact opposite. Outside of point totals, there is nothing comparable - Derek Ryan is a better 200 foot hockey player.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Unless they are bringing in Ryan to be a winger who can take face-offs...

Bennett - Janko - Brouwer


Bennett - Janko - Ryan

Profit.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Troy Brouwer scored 39 points the year before coming to the Flames as well, and now he's universally hated.

Carolina ran a 4 forward PP and rolled their lines much more evenly than the Flames.

Calgary played 2 D on the PP and played their top six a lot more than the Canes.

Now the question is whether Peters will run the bench like he did in Carolina or adapt to the personnel they have in Calgary.

If he runs the bench like he did in Calgary last season, if you aren't in the top two lines you aren't going to put up good point totals.

If Peters runs the bench as he did in Carolina, Ryan may be able to replicate his offensive totals, and perhaps a guy like Brouwer will have bounce back numbers.

Of course as always in the cap world, cap hit will be the biggest factor in the quality of this move.

Seems to me like the Flames aren't signing Ryan for the fourth line. He will be playing third line I would bet. Which bumps Jankowski to the 4th or the wing.

Did I mention he would have been 4th among Oiler forwards?

[N-E-B]

I’m fine if they bring him in, but I really hope he’s not the last change they make. IMO they still need to bring in another scoring forward, I’m talking 50-60 points.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Troy Brouwer was terrible on almost every measurable "advanced statistic" prior to signing here - it was known he was a leech and made his linemates worse.

Derek Ryan is the exact opposite. Outside of point totals, there is nothing comparable - Derek Ryan is a better 200 foot hockey player.

That could very well be absolutely the case.

I'm just pointing out that Ryan was played very much like a second liner last season.

If his role with the Flames is to be run like a bottom sixer, the same way Calgary was running their bottom six, then its likely his production dries up a bit.

Alternatively maybe Peters runs the bench like he did in Carolina.

In that case you might actually see the production of guys in the top two lines fall a bit, and the third line's production rise.

[Plaedo]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Troy Brouwer scored 39 points the year before coming to the Flames as well, and now he's universally hated.

Carolina ran a 4 forward PP and rolled their lines much more evenly than the Flames.

Calgary played 2 D on the PP and played their top six a lot more than the Canes.

Now the question is whether Peters will run the bench like he did in Carolina or adapt to the personnel they have in Calgary.

If he runs the bench like he did in Calgary last season, if you aren't in the top two lines you aren't going to put up good point totals.

If Peters runs the bench as he did in Carolina, Ryan may be able to replicate his offensive totals, and perhaps a guy like Brouwer will have bounce back numbers.

Of course as always in the cap world, cap hit will be the biggest factor in the quality of this move.

Seems to me like the Flames aren't signing Ryan for the fourth line. He will be playing third line I would bet. Which bumps Jankowski to the 4th or the wing.

I'm sure it's a typo and you don't think he ran Calgary's bench last year.
However, if he runs the bench like it was run in Calgary last year, and Ryan is your Brouwer, then Ryan will be a fixture on the PP no matter what his on-ice product is.

[Enoch Root]

By the way, there was a typo in my post earlier that listed stats on Ryan...

His 38 points would have put him in the top 6 among forwards on 23 of the 30 other teams, not 21.

That's right... 38 points puts you top 6 among forwards on 75% of the teams in the current NHL.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Plaedo

I'm sure it's a typo and you don't think he ran Calgary's bench last year.
However, if he runs the bench like it was run in Calgary last year, and Ryan is your Brouwer, then Ryan will be a fixture on the PP no matter what his on-ice product is.

If he runs the bench like they did in Calgary. My bad.

It appears Derek Ryan was not good on the PP in Carolina but he got a good amount of time there anyway. Maybe he played the point position?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Unless they are bringing in Ryan to be a winger who can take face-offs...

This is kinda my gut feeling depending on what happens with Shore. Bring in a couple of C/RW guys to help fill both the RW holes and the RH faceoff holes.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Ryan
Mangiapane - Shore - Lazar
Brouwer


Potential for Tkachuk, Bennett, Ryan, and Lindholm to rotate around the lineup a bit.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

If he runs the bench like they did in Calgary. My bad.

It appears Derek Ryan was not good on the PP in Carolina but he got a good amount of time there anyway. Maybe he played the point position?

D. Ryan had the 8th most PP time off all Carolina forwards last year, and 9th most of all skaters. I would call that barely hanging in on the 2nd PP unit.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is kinda my gut feeling depending on what happens with Shore. Bring in a couple of C/RW guys to help fill both the RW holes and the RH faceoff holes.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Ryan
Mangiapane - Shore - Lazar
Brouwer


Potential for Tkachuk, Bennett, Ryan, and Lindholm to rotate around the lineup a bit.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk
JVR - Backlund - Lindholm
Bennett - Jankowski - (Riley)Nash
Mangiapane - Ryan - Foo
Lazar/Shore

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson
Valimaki

Frolik + Stone --> Domingue + Callahan + 2019 2nd

Buyout Callahan