Full disclosure -- I've been following Ryan ever since he entered the league, I do this with some players (I watch all of their goals, keep track of their splits, etc). Some guys just catch my interest, and the story of Ryan coming over from Sweden as a star in their league to be an NHL rookie at age 29 really intrigued me.
The thing about Ryan is that the VAST majority of his goals come within five feet of the net, off of rebounds, close plays, the like. He's excellent at sticking with the puck when it's at the net, finding it, and jamming it home. He's certainly a little undersized but he has incredible offensive skill in close to the goalie, something the Flames have lacked on their powerplay for ages. In contrast to a guy like Brouwer, who shanks every shot that comes his way in front of the net, Ryan would be excellent considering his muck-it-up and deflection skills.
That's not to say he's awful on the rush or from further out, though. He's got a decent shot for sure. He's also a very good playmaker.
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What am I missing? I had a quick look at Ryans stats as I didn't know anything about him. A few years in the NHL at the age of 31 and 3rd line player stats. Is this not the type of player we have plenty of but younger?
All part of Treliving's plan...you can't replicate Peters success in Carolina without bringing his personnel.
I don't see their fans complaining about Ryan as a player, just the way Peters used him. They're saying he was used in OT etc.
Nothing against the player but that's seems kind of dumb.
I have no idea where to check those stats, but likely someone else here does because, yes, that is crazy playing him in OT especially if it was done consistently.
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All part of Treliving's plan...you can't replicate Peters success in Carolina without bringing his personnel.
Treliving is starting to remind me of Bergevin.
Well, this is a very knee-jerk reaction to a likely depth signing. To be honest, Carolina is a team on the verge of success, and the Flames have now brought in some of their better players to play lesser roles on this deeper team. I don't see what the issue is.
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Full disclosure -- I've been following Ryan ever since he entered the league, I do this with some players (I watch all of their goals, keep track of their splits, etc). Some guys just catch my interest, and the story of Ryan coming over from Sweden as a star in their league to be an NHL rookie at age 29 really intrigued me.
The thing about Ryan is that the VAST majority of his goals come within five feet of the net, off of rebounds, close plays, the like. He's excellent at sticking with the puck when it's at the net, finding it, and jamming it home. He's certainly a little undersized but he has incredible offensive skill in close to the goalie, something the Flames have lacked on their powerplay for ages. In contrast to a guy like Brouwer, who shanks every shot that comes his way in front of the net, Ryan would be excellent considering his muck-it-up and deflection skills.
This was one of my major complaints about last year. If Ryan can be a solution I’m on board.
I have no idea where to check those stats, but likely someone else here does because, yes, that is crazy playing him in OT especially if it was done consistently.
By all accounts, Ryan was their poor man's Mikael Backlund. Backs sees plenty of ice time in OT here and it's because he's strong on puck possession and sound defensively - Ryan looks to be the same type of player (not saying Ryan is as good as Backs).
I get it, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Backlund + Ryan be a pairing in OT for Calgary.
This is an ok look at why his underlying numbers are not completely indicative of his value. The Flames should definitely be looking at a guy like this provided you can get him on a short term, low value deal.....beagle always seems to fly under the radar. You'd assume he fits the I want to be here mold the team is preaching and would certainly boost the Flames into the upper echelon of faceoff ability for the fist time in years.
I like this way more than the thought of overpaying term and dollar value for a guy like Ryan who will end up putting up similar points in his reduced ice time here in Calgary anyway.
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I find it interesting that so many seem to be opposed to the fact that Ryan played for Peters. If anything, I'd be comfortable knowing that a guy with such a unique background like Ryan has been successful under our coach. This isn't a Bartkowski or even Chiasson situation with Gulutzan - Ryan has actually had two full and successful years under Peters.
Our bottom-six desperately have to improve. This is a guy that checks a lot of boxes and improves the team in several ways, but for some the glass just always has to be half empty I guess.
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There was concerns that Hurricanes' fans are complaining that Ryan was overrused. So I did some looking up of Ryan's stats from NHL.com and compared it among the forwards on that team
Year: GP ATOI P PPP
1 67 14:53(8th) 29(8th) 8(6th)
2 80 15:36(7th) 38(7th) 7(8th)
It doesn't say too much about over use. He did get somewhat significantly more time than the players ranked below him, except for Rask this past year. It does indicate that he's good in a bottom 6 role as his stats seemed much better than the rest of those in the bottom 6.
Is he tough and fight a bit? We will need some folks to fight if we get pushed around.
He's only 5'11 and 170 lbs. Didn't break into the NHL until 30. Has one 15 goal, 38 point season at the age of 31. Don't get it. Sure hope he isn't given high AAV or term if we do and hope he doesn't take ice time from Jankowski in particular.
If you buyout Brouwer now, you save $3M this year and next year, but then it costs you $1.5M for 2 years.
If - worst case scenario if not bought out - you bury him in Stockton, he costs $3.6M against the cap this year, A year where it looks like you have about $7M to play with. Then save $3M next year with a buy out, and end up with only ONE season of a $1.5M cap hit.
...Could you close your eyes, swallow hard, and put Brouwer in the minors for a season to get cap relief in 2021-2022?
...The thing about Ryan is that the VAST majority of his goals come within five feet of the net, off of rebounds, close plays, the like. He's excellent at sticking with the puck when it's at the net, finding it, and jamming it home. He's certainly a little undersized but he has incredible offensive skill in close to the goalie, something the Flames have lacked on their powerplay for ages. In contrast to a guy like Brouwer, who shanks every shot that comes his way in front of the net, Ryan would be excellent considering his muck-it-up and deflection skills...
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This was one of my major complaints about last year. If Ryan can be a solution I’m on board.
Not just Ryan. Elias Lindholm is really good in front of the net as well, and it looks like he was a staple there on Carolina's powerplay.
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I find it interesting that so many seem to be opposed to the fact that Ryan played for Peters. If anything, I'd be comfortable knowing that a guy with such a unique background like Ryan has been successful under our coach. This isn't a Bartkowski or even Chiasson situation with Gulutzan - Ryan has actually had two full and successful years under Peters.
Our bottom-six desperately have to improve. This is a guy that checks a lot of boxes and improves the team in several ways, but for some the glass just always has to be half empty I guess.
This is what gets me the most. I agree a top line capable RW is nice to have, but it wasn't the top 6 that caused last year's problems. 4 of the top 6 had career years, Backlund was just off and Frolik had an off year with injury issues.
The bottom 6 completely #### the bed when it came to adding to the offense, excepting a few weeks in December the third line was productive. The fourth line couldn't shoot its way out of a wet paper bag.
Moves to get that high profile RW is flashy but doesn't solve the depth problem. Getting these mid-bottom 6 guys who are productive at the NHL level is critical to success. The Golden Knights just showed the entire league what a team of "2nd liners" can accomplish. The core is good, its shoring up the support staff that I see as the major failure last year and bringing in guys like Ryan are just the moves that need to happen.
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Pretty silly to not sign a good fourth line player...
Is he going to be a fourth line player? I mean he averaged just over 15 minutes a night (Stajan by comparison averaged 10, Sam Bennett 14), Looking over his game logs I see Jeff Skinner associated with a lot of his offense, he had power play time...
Those aren't attributes I would associate with a fourth line player.
This is what gets me the most. I agree a top line capable RW is nice to have, but it wasn't the top 6 that caused last year's problems. 4 of the top 6 had career years, Backlund was just off and Frolik had an off year with injury issues.
The bottom 6 completely #### the bed when it came to adding to the offense, excepting a few weeks in December the third line was productive. The fourth line couldn't shoot its way out of a wet paper bag.
Moves to get that high profile RW is flashy but doesn't solve the depth problem. Getting these mid-bottom 6 guys who are productive at the NHL level is critical to success. The Golden Knights just showed the entire league what a team of "2nd liners" can accomplish. The core is good, its shoring up the support staff that I see as the major failure last year and bringing in guys like Ryan are just the moves that need to happen.
agreed. I think adding two depth forwards a la Ryan, Grabner, Rieder etc. would help the team in a big way. Having a third line that can provide secondary scoring would solve a lot of problems.
I think those who hope for a big name UFA or trade will be disappointed.
It seems like we actually all agree yet are posting as if we disagree.... the only thing this comes down to is $$$
2m for a good depth guy = great
3m for a guy who is on the 3rd or 4th line is a bit much
anything over 3m is stupid as is anything longer than 2 or 3 years)
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