06-21-2018, 12:58 PM
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#541
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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I'd be so depressed if I was an Oiler fan with that man in charge. When things don't work out you can always look to the future with a good GM in place.
Reminds me of my Feaster depression.
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06-21-2018, 12:59 PM
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#542
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Hockey Canada doesn't expect veterans and players with families to go. But there is an expectation that younger, healthy players wear their country's jersey.
You honestly don't think Treliving was disappointed when none of the four Flames he invited to Team Canada in 2016 accepted? Also, you didn't address the fact that Hamilton was not even invited to the World Cup camp.
It's not mandatory. But voluntarily going to overseas to play in a competitive tournament demonstrates a passion for the game.
I guess if you don't buy into the reports from multiple sources that the Flames management is not happy with the compete and passion level of the team, then there's nothing to see here. If you do, then it's perfectly legitimate to ask where the problems.
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It seems you are reading too much into it. The only thing that Treliving expressed disappointment in is with the Flames getting off their game-plan too easily and getting rattled. That has been the one and only swipe at Gulutzan since the firing, stating that this team needs more leadership and Peters will help them out there, while Gulutzan left that to the team which was probably too young.
In my opinion, losing Engelland hurt the leadership aspect of this club, and I would look for the Flames to probably address that this off-season. I have heard absolutely zilch about the Flames being 'disappointed' in their core and feeling that they have to make a big change. If anything, there has been more accolades about the room than not. Not sure where you are getting your information from. There is a chasm of difference between "the room stinks and we have to make a change in the core" and "we need additional leadership for this young team".
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06-21-2018, 01:30 PM
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#543
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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06-21-2018, 01:34 PM
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#545
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Toonage
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If he says Hamilton is not going anywhere that means a trade is in the works haha
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06-21-2018, 01:37 PM
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#546
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
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It is a process.
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06-21-2018, 01:40 PM
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#547
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Likely pre-emptive discussion on how anyone brought in is not here to be a savior.
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06-21-2018, 01:41 PM
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#548
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Likely pre-emptive discussion on how anyone brought in is not here to be a savior.
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But a savior is exactly what we need 
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06-21-2018, 01:45 PM
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#549
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Better than him ending up in Toronto, San Jose or any other western conference team.
Still, it would be very odd for him to sign now when the courting period is only days away.
I did read an article somewhere though a couple weeks ago where the author believed the only reason he hadn't re-signed yet was because he and his agency were waiting for the league to announce the salary cap for next year so he could get a certain percentage of the cap based on other high end centers that were all with the same agency. Guys like Malkin, Kopitar and Giroux IIRC. Well, they just announced the salary cap so maybe the author was correct.
Last edited by Roof-Daddy; 06-21-2018 at 01:49 PM.
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06-21-2018, 01:46 PM
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#550
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Let's say he signs to stay an Islander for $10M/yrfor 8 years. Great!
What if he waited for the courting period and got offers that he was happy with signing and got the Islanders to match and then he signs for $12M/yr for 7 years.
Sure, he's leaving $4M on the table by signing early, but he's also giving his team $2M in cap space per year to bring in help.
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What if he signed a one year "show me" maximum value deal ($16-17M)?
He would still have the potential to be a UFA again next summer.
Gives Lamorello and Trotz one year to convince him that the team is going in the right direction. Why sign now long term if you are not comfortable with the team, give them a chance if you would like to stay, and keep your options open.
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06-21-2018, 01:47 PM
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#551
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I'd be so depressed if I was an Oiler fan with that man in charge. When things don't work out you can always look to the future with a good GM in place.
Reminds me of my Feaster depression.
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For me, the Feaster era was pretty exciting and optimistic. While you might question some of his trades, you have to remember he was saddled with a lot of no trade, high cost, older player contracts. I think Calgary led the league in NTC contracts at one point.
The Feaster era focused on rebuilding; it focused on youth, speed and skill. When was the last time Calgary drafted a perennial all-star before that, when was the last time you were openly optimistic and excited about a prospect before that? Dion is the only prospect I can remember being excited about in the 10 or 15 years before Feaster. Pretty bleak.
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06-21-2018, 01:50 PM
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#552
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First Line Centre
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hes going to take the podium and remind everyone that today is the first day of summer and that you can Boston size your drinks at Boston Pizza for $1.00 all summer
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06-21-2018, 01:52 PM
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#553
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Would love to get Panarin if possible. Dude is a serious talent.
Hamilton and Lazar for Panarin and a 2nd? Gives Calgary the 1st liner they need, the ability to move Brodie up to the top pairing, gives a spot on the main roster to Foo, and recuperates a high pick for us.
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06-21-2018, 01:56 PM
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#554
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First Line Centre
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With Panarin unsigned and Hamilton on a good contract I'd only do Hamilton for Panarin + CLB 1st rd pick
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06-21-2018, 01:58 PM
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#555
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Doubt they find a way to just go fill $10M in cap space before the UFA courting period, and he’s by far the best UFA. He holds all the leverage here and signing early is foolish even if he wants to stay.
Stamkos did it right.
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Why is it foolish if he doesn’t want to leave??
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06-21-2018, 02:01 PM
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#556
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by rhino
Why is it foolish if he doesn’t want to leave??
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because if he waits until other teams can submit an offer it may raise his contract from the Isles.
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06-21-2018, 02:02 PM
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#557
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MacDaddy77
With Panarin unsigned and Hamilton on a good contract I'd only do Hamilton for Panarin + CLB 1st rd pick
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Hamilton for Panarin (Signed 7.5Mx5) and the 18th pick. That be a good deal.
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06-21-2018, 02:02 PM
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#558
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MacDaddy77
With Panarin unsigned and Hamilton on a good contract I'd only do Hamilton for Panarin + CLB 1st rd pick
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Would you trade Hamilton for two late first round picks?
Because that's what the Flames would end up with if Panarin doesn't sign.
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06-21-2018, 02:05 PM
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#559
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MacDaddy77
because if he waits until other teams can submit an offer it may raise his contract from the Isles.
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Unless he is getting max term and money from the Isles which no one else can do.
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06-21-2018, 02:06 PM
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#560
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
Would you trade Hamilton for two late first round picks?
Because that's what the Flames would end up with if Panarin doesn't sign.
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You'd obviously obtain permission to negotiate a deal with his agent before the trade is final
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