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calgarywinning · 06-13-2018, 01:09 AM

My point was both players would have had information on their phone and what part of the NHLPA NHL agreement allows them to bypass law to view phones as in the case of Wideman. Nothing to do with the wives club as they would obviously not be under player contract.

DomeFoam · 06-13-2018, 01:10 AM

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My point was both players would have had information on their phone and what part of the NHLPA NHL agreement allows them to bypass law to view phones as in the case of Wideman. Nothing to do with the wives club as they would obviously not be under player contract.

Wideman hammered a ref in the back - both employed by the league. NHL should have access to such information, but not in this case.

Dajazz · 06-13-2018, 01:28 AM

If true - there is a special place in hell for her.

Having had a similar tragic experience as the Karlssons I wish nothing but the worst for the person doing this, and I'm talking old testament biblical punishment here.

Putrid, horrible, disgusting people doing this - losing a child is the worst experience a human being can be subject to.

calgarywinning · 06-13-2018, 01:28 AM

Totally interesting. If a player starts threatening another player, or there is a player on player confrontation that effects the workplace. Much like Tonya Harding threats that end up on a contract players phone, before assault occurs it's not the business of the NHL or NHLPA or the franchise. I guess the leap is to assume ultimately these two players on the same team were texting each other. Parking lot confrontations of fellow employee's isn't really a normal everyday life occurrence. Or is it? Did the people within the organization know and did not step in to mitigate.

In the case of Wideman it was part of the NHLPA/NHL agreement where he had to turn his phone over and the texts were not deleted and thus became self-incriminating with the league justice.

Anyways, just trying to understand this angle of it. To be clear I am talking about anything these two players did which aggravated the situation or put a match to a fire.

GullFoss · 06-13-2018, 01:28 AM

This also makes Karlson somewhat untouchable too until the truth comes out. Imagine it turns out the karlssons are wrong. Now you have a situation where a teammate and his wife threw other players and their partners under the bus and spread lies about them and tried to ruin their reputation. That's ####ed up too.

Someone is going to lose big!!!

Northendzone · 06-13-2018, 06:53 AM

i wonder how the karlsonns determined it was the Hoff girlfriend that was doing this?

i feel sorry for the sens fan base - two seasons ago they went to G7 of the ECF and now their teams is a hot mess

kyuss275 · 06-13-2018, 07:05 AM

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This also makes Karlson somewhat untouchable too until the truth comes out. Imagine it turns out the karlssons are wrong. Now you have a situation where a teammate and his wife threw other players and their partners under the bus and spread lies about them and tried to ruin their reputation. That's ####ed up too.

Someone is going to lose big!!!

I think your forgetting that no matter who did this to karlsons wife she is still the victim .

Erick Estrada · 06-13-2018, 07:05 AM

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Yeah I found that a little shocking how quick everyone was to assume guilt based off a picture of Monika that was likely chosen by the media to make her appear sinister.

Would the reaction have been the same had this picture ran with the story?

LOL do you really, really, really think people were assuming guilt based off her picture? Honestly I don't know what to say to some of you. I think most of us are smart enough to know that as of right now these are simply allegations and nobody has been proven guilty of anything. However as has been repeated many times in this thread there is some smoke here and while we don't know for certain if it was her we also know in this day and age someone doesn't come out in public with an accusation like this without some evidence, then there's other wives speaking out, and the team is investigating and wants to move this guy. It doesn't look good for her and that's what we are discussing. The idea of the thread is that the topic is to be discussed and we are discussing it and if you are unhappy that everyone discussing it isn't presuming her innocent then sorry I guess. Would be a pretty boring thread if we just ended it after a few posts and said; "It's just allegations. We don't know if it was her. Let's just not talk about it until there's a verdict".

Funkhouser · 06-13-2018, 07:26 AM

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LOL do you really, really, really think people were assuming guilt based off her picture? Honestly I don't know what to say to some of you. I think most of us are smart enough to know that as of right now these are simply allegations and nobody has been proven guilty of anything.

Yes I really do...read the thread:

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Taking a look at the picture of Hoffman's girlfriend in the Citizen article I'm going with guilty as charged.

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Hoffman's gf looks has that psycho hose beast look I became familiar with in my younger years. Would not be shocked if the allegations are true.

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Not to stereotype but Hoffman's girlfriend with her plastic surgery looks exactly like the perfect villain for any made-for-TV lifetime channel movie. And also, anytime someone says 150%, it always means the opposite. No point even going to trial on this one.

Maybe these posts are in jest, but it doesn't change the fact that a photo can lead to a conclusion without much evidence.

CalgaryFan1988 · 06-13-2018, 07:32 AM

There are always three sides to every story.

I think I'll wait until more comes out before I judge.

Either way though, I'd stay away from both Karlsson and Hoffman.

GioforPM · 06-13-2018, 07:36 AM

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Any good lawyer will say never cooperate with police. They pretend to be your friend and turn on you as soon as they get the information they need. I would stay completely quiet, not answer any questions, and cooperate only if ordered to.

Too many moronic people on this planet opening up the kitchen sink just to appear innocent. Shut your mouth, close the door and shut off social media.

I may not be a good lawyer, but I am a lawyer, and it's really not that simple.

kyuss275 · 06-13-2018, 07:36 AM

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There are always three sides to every story.

I think I'll wait until more comes out before I judge.

Either way though, I'd stay away from both Karlsson and Hoffman.

Not sure why this would effect karlson for a trade? At worst she accused the wrong person but was still subject to intense cyber bullying. No matter what karlsons wife is a victim.

kyuss275 · 06-13-2018, 07:39 AM

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I may not be a good lawyer, but I am a lawyer, and it's really not that simple.

If I am ever in need of a lawyer your hired . That post was pure gold.

Resolute 14 · 06-13-2018, 07:40 AM

Interesting to see the wives of other former Senators all come out on Melinda Karlsson's side:

Marlie Hammond

Julie Turris

Regardless of whether or not the accusations are true, it is pretty damn obvious that Caryk is very unpopular with everyone around the team.

Erick Estrada · 06-13-2018, 08:42 AM

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Yes I really do...read the thread:

Maybe these posts are in jest, but it doesn't change the fact that a photo can lead to a conclusion without much evidence.

Oh come on now. You know they were in jest so what are you arguing here? Most grounded people fully realize her picture has no bearing on her guilt.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-13-2018, 08:43 AM

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Yes I really do...read the thread

Yikes.

Well, the first one is clearly a joke. I don't know about the others... I would hope that "no point in even going to trial" hyperbole would indicate that the person's not serious, but the second one sounds pretty deadpan. Which is alarming.

Hot_Flatus · 06-13-2018, 08:44 AM

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I may not be a good lawyer, but I am a lawyer, and it's really not that simple.

dissentowner · 06-13-2018, 08:54 AM

We really don't know enough to make any valid conclusions. As others have said there are two sides to a story. Here is what I am wondering, if it was Hoffman's GF that made these nasty remarks what triggered her to do so in the first place? There has to be a reason, you don't just start making remarks like that for no reason. Obviously something had to have happened before between the two women for her to go that far and that nasty and we don't know what that is. Not that it remotely would excuse her actions but there is obviously things we don't know here.

Cali Panthers Fan · 06-13-2018, 09:06 AM

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We really don't know enough to make any valid conclusions. As others have said there are two sides to a story. Here is what I am wondering, if it was Hoffman's GF that made these nasty remarks what triggered her to do so in the first place? There has to be a reason, you don't just start making remarks like that for no reason. Obviously something had to have happened before between the two women for her to go that far and that nasty and we don't know what that is. Not that it remotely would excuse her actions but there is obviously things we don't know here.

No, there doesn't have to be a reason. Some people are just generally awful and are broken inside. That little voice that tells you and I that something is bad? Some people don't have that, and they feel nothing when they hurt others. Some people actually enjoy it. Lots of underdeveloped amygdalas out there that keeps people from feeling emotion when they commit terrible acts. This is not uncommon at all.

dissentowner · 06-13-2018, 09:11 AM

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No, there doesn't have to be a reason. Some people are just generally awful and are broken inside. That little voice that tells you and I that something is bad? Some people don't have that, and they feel nothing when they hurt others. Some people actually enjoy it. Lots of underdeveloped amygdalas out there that keeps people from feeling emotion when they commit terrible acts. This is not uncommon at all.

Could be but I feel this is highly unlikely. If she is that broken and toxic all the time then Hoffman would have to know and he almost certainly would have kicked her to the curb by now, in love or not. There could be a dozen scenarios why this occurred and until we know all the details (if that ever even happens) I am not jumping to conclusions.