2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

People who obviously have *no idea* what teams will and won't do speaking in absolutes is cringe-worthy bad reading in this thread.

Thanks for the tip. If only everyone posted like GoJetsGo.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Thanks for the tip. If only everyone posted like GoJetsGo.

Or, you could just start an "Ask me anything" since you've got all the answers.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

People who obviously have *no idea* what teams will and won't do speaking in absolutes is cringe-worthy bad reading in this thread.

I guess then no one should ever post their opinion on anything around here, as no one really can be absolutely certain about anything.

I think you can assume that everyone who posts anything is really saying IMO.

So, IMO, I really doubt anyone would give up a first round pick for Fox. The very fact that the Flames would be trying to move him would speak volumes about their perceived ability to sign him. I can’t imagine any likely scenario where a team would risk a first round pick to become a part of that.


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[Yrebmi]

I agree that if the Flames appeared anxious to move Fox, it would send up a red flag and diminish his value. That doesn't mean Tre isn't getting unsolicited calls on Fox.

A late first rounder for a very promising D prospect is easy to imagine in that scenario.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

I agree that if the Flames appeared anxious to move Fox, it would send up a red flag and diminish his value. That doesn't mean Tre isn't getting unsolicited calls on Fox.

A late first rounder for a very promising D prospect is easy to imagine in that scenario.

if the Flames were trying to trade Fox...

It could simply trigger that they may not be able to sign the player.....

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by flambers

if the Flames were trying to trade Fox...

It could simply trigger that they may not be able to sign the player.....

Guys these GMs are professionals . No matter what the circumstance they are not showing all their cards. Tre doesn't have to do anything when it comes to fox. Other teams are calling him/starting the conversation, when it comes to that player. At this stage there are no red flags or diminished value.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I guess then no one should ever post their opinion on anything around here, as no one really can be absolutely certain about anything.

I think you can assume that everyone who posts anything is really saying IMO.

So, IMO, I really doubt anyone would give up a first round pick for Fox. The very fact that the Flames would be trying to move him would speak volumes about their perceived ability to sign him. I can’t imagine any likely scenario where a team would risk a first round pick to become a part of that.


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Who says Treliving would trying to move him?

I'd be shocked if Treliving wasn't getting inquiries about Fox regularly. He's a high end college prospect.

You guys don't think the Rangers would move a late 1st for Fox's rights when they are rebuilding and have three 1st round picks this year? They would be very confident that they could sign the NY born kid if they had his exclusive negotiating rights and didn't have to compete with any other NE based US teams.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You guys don't think the Rangers would move a late 1st for Fox's rights when they are rebuilding and have three 1st round picks this year? They would be very confident that they could sign the NY born kid if they had his exclusive negotiating rights and didn't have to compete with any other NE based US teams.

I'm not so certain this is correct.

I don't think any team would feel really confident about their ability to sign a player as he gets closer to UFA status. I could imagine them do a conditional deal where they'll give up a first if he signs, a 2nd if he doesn't. But I doubt that makes sense for the Flames though, unless they know he won't sign with them. I assume any team that would trade for his rights will want to talk to him first.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I guess then no one should ever post their opinion on anything around here, as no one really can be absolutely certain about anything.

I think you can assume that everyone who posts anything is really saying IMO.

So, IMO, I really doubt anyone would give up a first round pick for Fox. The very fact that the Flames would be trying to move him would speak volumes about their perceived ability to sign him. I can’t imagine any likely scenario where a team would risk a first round pick to become a part of that.


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There's a difference between stating an opinion and coming off as though you're informing people of something, which is what you were doing.

The amount of times someone scoffs at something in this thread as though they know what other GMs will and won't do is a real head-scratcher.


Lastly, no one said the Flames are sending out availability memos about Fox. He's a highly touted prospect and it's entirely possible teams like New York could have strong interest and are pro-actively inquiring about him. Whether it be alone or part of a bigger deal.

I don't even have a strong inclination there'd be a fit around Fox for a first. Just painful to read someone with no inside info speaking as though they're informing others of how that's not possible.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

There's a difference between stating an opinion and coming off as though you're informing people of something, which is what you were doing.

The amount of times someone scoffs at something in this thread as though they know what other GMs will and won't do is a real head-scratcher.


Lastly, no one said the Flames are sending out availability memos about Fox. He's a highly touted prospect and it's entirely possible teams like New York could have strong interest and are pro-actively inquiring about him. Whether it be alone or part of a bigger deal.

I don't even have a strong inclination there'd be a fit around Fox for a first. Just painful to read someone with no inside info speaking as though they're informing others of how that's not possible.

I'm with you GJG. It's a pet peeve of mine as well when people speak in absolutes about player value and trade scenario's and stuff like that. I try never to do it and instead add things like "in my opinion" or "I can't see that happening" just to make it clear it's only my opinion and I could definitely be mistaken.

You just never know what a GM might do and for what reason, and I like to use the Hamilton trade as an example. Before that trade if you had made an arm chair proposal to get Dougie for a mid 1st and 2 mid 2nds you would have been keyboard warrior'ed to death by other posters with statements like "no way would Boston do that" and "Sweeney hangs up the phone immediately".

So when I say it's possible a highly touted prospect like Fox could bring back a late 1st round pick from a rebuilding NY based team with multiple 1st round picks at their disposal, I find it grating to have it shot down by someone passing off their opinion in a way that makes it sounds like it's an absolute fact.

[Harry Lime]

I'm guessing that Phil's 90 points could have something to do with Malkin, but a 70 point winger would still be nice to have.

Caught a bit of specuation on 960 this morning that Vancouver was inquiring on Hanifin, and the ask was 7th overall plus a prospect.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I'm not so certain this is correct.

I don't think any team would feel really confident about their ability to sign a player as he gets closer to UFA status. I could imagine them do a conditional deal where they'll give up a first if he signs, a 2nd if he doesn't. But I doubt that makes sense for the Flames though, unless they know he won't sign with them. I assume any team that would trade for his rights will want to talk to him first.

Seems like you're disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, or unwilling to move off your stance (if I read correctly, is that Fox isn't going to get you a late first).

It's entirely reasonable to think the Flames could get a first for Fox. I would ask for more.

Can't recall which writer specifically, maybe it was Pronman, had Fox as the Flames top prospect in the Athletic. Admittedly I don't have a thorough understanding of the Rangers depth chart (nor do I have the time to research it), but seems to me the Rangers would covet a NY born and raised college player who has been putting up numbers that have drawn comparisons to Brian Leetch. It's a natural fit from the outside looking in.

The reason the Flames deal him in my opinion, is where does he fit in and what is the Flames window to win? Right now, there is no spot for him on the NHL roster & he's competing for a spot with a deep prospect pool. If I'm Fox, I'm not signing with the Flames until my path is clear. I doubt he signs with the Flames to start his pro career in Stockton. I suspect this is why he didn't sign recently. If the Flames weren't looking to take a firm step forward contending, then maybe they look to deal Hamilton or Hamonic to make room. I don't think that is what is going to happen.

If I were Treliving, I would package him with jankowski to see if you can get RoR.

[Harry Lime]

Fox, jankowski, bennett...

These are the favorite trade fodder names for CPers, but in my mind they are exactly the type of player I'd be targeting from another team.

It goes hand in hand with not seeing Foo, Klimchuk as legitimate prospects. The only way to become a true cup contender in this league is to take chances with young players to augment the core.

Calgary and their fans need to stop being afraid of players who have not hit their ceiling, and stop overvaluing players who have.

Even if one out of three top organizational prospects 'hit', that would be huge win. And I'm not talking about blue chippers like Johnny and Monny. If Janko becomes a #2, and Fox a #3, the Flames become Tampa Bay.

If we trade those guys away for a sure thing with a lower ceiling, or on the decline in their career, we become... well, Calgary.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

If we trade those guys away for a sure thing with a lower ceiling, or on the decline in their career, we become... well, Calgary.

And if we sit on our thumbs and do nothing hoping the same roster works and it backfires, we get scores more backhanded comments like this one.

I don't think anyone's advocating selling off prospects for the sake of it, but it's very clear this team needs to improve in several areas in order to compete, and the window of time in which we have to do so is finite.

If a player that's several years away like Fox (just for example) improves RW now, you look long and hard at regardless of the optics you mention.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It goes hand in hand with not seeing Foo, Klimchuk as legitimate prospects. The only way to become a true cup contender in this league is to take chances with young players to augment the core.

Calgary and their fans need to stop being afraid of players who have not hit their ceiling

Its bizarre how at some point fans get sick of waiting for prospects and declare them busts while they still have a chance to make the NHL. I guess some fans underestimate how long it takes most players to develop and make the NHL. Scouts and GMS are always talking about most guys taking 5-6 years but fans seem ready to give up on them after 4 years because they expected them to have stepped and made an impact sooner.

Klimchuk is a good example of this. A poster just yesterday called him a bust. But IMO he's a guy who stands a good chance of pushing for spot next year. Foo will definitely be competing for a spot as well.

[Harry Lime]

Take Klimchuk for example. His skillset is very similar to Frolik. Strong defensive play with the odd offensive flourish. I see the dropoff between the two being minimal. Klimchuk is paid below 1M a year. Therefore I see Frolik expendable in almost any potential trade, and he still has value in the league, but his name is never mentioned.

I'm a big Foo believer, and he would be a natural fit on the second or third line, with Ferland taking the other spot.

Now, if Frolik were the odd man out, and could be included in a trade (or a second trade to acquire tradable assets) would we no longer have to trade away all of our own high risk-reward players, for a RW?

I wasn't really talking about optics at all, but mediocrity.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Patience is a tough attribute to have for some people, myself included.

I am very impatient, but I also know that this organization needs to put a lot more faith in our prospects.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Take Klimchuk for example. His skillset is very similar to Frolik. Strong defensive play with the odd offensive flourish. I see the dropoff between the two being minimal. Klimchuk is paid below 1M a year. Therefore I see Frolik expendable in almost any potential trade, and he still has value in the league, but his name is never mentioned.

I'm a big Foo believer, and he would be a natural fit on the second or third line, with Ferland taking the other spot.

Now, if Frolik were the odd man out, and could be included in a trade (or a second trade to acquire tradable assets) would we no longer have to trade away all of our own high risk-reward players, for a RW?

I wasn't really talking about optics at all, but mediocrity.

I've seen several people talk about trading Frolik, including earlier today in either this thread or the build the roster one. The reason it's not a staple in discussion is because he's not going to return much.

I don't want to see this team trading a Jankowski or Bennett just for the sake of it, but the reason they and Fox etc are brought up, is because those are the type of pieces we do have that would most likely garner a significant return.

What you're effectively doing (saying you don't want top prospects discussed as trade chips) is feeding into one of the other most problematic things about this thread. Furthering the idea that we try to make a trade to improve the team now without giving up anything of signifiant value. No one is going to give us a player that improves us for spare parts.

As for mediocrity... the majority of the league battles with it. There's a ton of parity and the cup is one of the most difficult championships to win in all of pro sports. There's nothing worse to read than the constant and enduring Flash-Walken type digs at the franchise. If anyone is that bothered by it no one's forcing anyone to be a fan.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Take Klimchuk for example. His skillset is very similar to Frolik. Strong defensive play with the odd offensive flourish. I see the dropoff between the two being minimal. Klimchuk is paid below 1M a year. Therefore I see Frolik expendable in almost any potential trade, and he still has value in the league, but his name is never mentioned.

You see the drop off from Frolik to Klimchuk as minimal? Klimchuk is not a NHLer, imo, let alone one that compares favourably to a vet like Frolik. I don't know if Frolik is expendable or not but I wouldn't count on Klimchuk to fill that void if he is. Having said that, Frolik needs to have a better year this year. He was disappointing last season.

[MisterJoji]

I feel trading Brodie now would not get the caliber of forward back we need right now without adding another quality asset. His stock has dropped considerably the last two seasons. His reputation/level of play is about as low as it could be r(excluding the years when he wasn’t a full time NHLer). It would be better to see how he performs under the new staff. If he improves, you’ve just increased the return in a trade, if he doesn’t, well then we’re pretty much where we are right now anyways. Also it will provide more time to see if Kulak, Valimaki, Andersson or Kylington are ready to step up and replace those minutes.