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neo45 · 05-31-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, ideally the Flames keep Brodie for one more season and he has a resurgence that balloons his value. Then next off season they trade him for a massive return with Kulak, Kylington and Valimaki bursting at the seams to take his spot.

It'd be so nice to be on the proper side of the asset management line going forward, where drafting and development happens so efficiently that we have to trade expensive vets for more picks and prospects because they are being forced out by younger cheaper replacements.

I would bet on Brodie having a good year. More comfortable with Hamonic now and Peters always makes Dmen look really good.

Plus his underwhelming season got magnified by a couple BIG gaffes that stick in your mind.

Roof-Daddy · 05-31-2018, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Beninho

Ya, I doubt there’s any Canadian team on that list

Possibly, but I was mentioning it more in reference to your assumption that Kessel will bring in a bigger return this time. That NTC could be really limiting if he wants it to be, which will cut the legs off of his market value.

dammage79 · 05-31-2018, 07:39 PM

I think you get Kessel if he's available and doesnt have CGY on a no trade list.

Ward also worked with him his fisrt few seasons in Boston too. So theres at least one familiarity on the team for Kessel.

The guy is maybe top 4 or 5 in what he does offensively on the wing in the league. Total no brainer to go get him if you can.

Beninho · 05-31-2018, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Possibly, but I was mentioning it more in reference to your assumption that Kessel will bring in a bigger return this time. That NTC could be really limiting if he wants it to be, which will cut the legs off of his market value.

Ah I don’t think I was that poster but I see your point.

Scroopy Noopers · 05-31-2018, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Four words:

Eight team trade list.

California, LV, Florida, NY.

Roof-Daddy · 05-31-2018, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Beninho

Ah I don’t think I was that poster but I see your point.

Nope you weren't haha. Whoops.

Mattman · 05-31-2018, 08:28 PM

So based on previous Hamilton trade speculation and recent Kessel speculation, does this mean Hamilton, Brodie+ gets us W.Nylander and Kessel?

Aside from the absurdity would that be a too big of a hole on our D?

dino7c · 05-31-2018, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Leafs traded low on Kessel and got a 1st plus a good prospect.

Kessel's stock has risen since then so the Pens will be getting more than that.

he was also a lot younger

savemedrzaius · 05-31-2018, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Four words:

Eight team trade list.

When the Leafs traded him he also had the same MNTC...it's the same contract, no?

So he would have had to submit 8 teams..Pens being one of them.

He was coming off a 61 point season when the Leafs traded him.

Since then he has won 2 cups (while being a beast every year in the playoffs) and a 90 point season. Plus the Leafs will still retain their portion of the contract.

Pens are going to get a lot more than the Leafs did.

GreenLantern2814 · 05-31-2018, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

he was also a lot younger

He's under contract for four more years.

Just like Gaudreau. You have to give Johnny some elite talent to work with if you don't want to waste his prime/the time you have him period.

savemedrzaius · 05-31-2018, 08:47 PM

Flames should trade for Kessel, sign Bozak and sign JVR.

Reunite the 3 Buds!

Roof-Daddy · 05-31-2018, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

When the Leafs traded him he also had the same MNTC...it's the same contract, no?

So he would have had to submit 8 teams..Pens being one of them.

He was coming off a 61 point season when the Leafs traded him.

Since then he has won 2 cups (while being a beast every year in the playoffs) and a 90 point season. Plus the Leafs will still retain their portion of the contract.

Pens are going to get a lot more than the Leafs did.

Yes, the same contract. With the same 8 team trade list which he can use to severely limit the market the Pens would be able to shop him around in, which limits his value.

He's also 30 now, not 27. Another factor that can potentially limit his trade value.

I would expect a similar return, not more. Basically the equivalent of two mid to late 1st rounders.

CalgaryFan1988 · 05-31-2018, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Flames should trade for Kessel, sign Bozak and sign JVR.

Reunite the 3 Buds!

I guess you play NHL '18 with salary cap off?

The Cobra · 05-31-2018, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Basically the equivalent of two mid to late 1st rounders.

A price Calgary should clearly not pay.

Roof-Daddy · 05-31-2018, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

A prove Calgary can clearly not pay.

Brodie is worth a late first plus
Fox's value is probably nearing a late first
Bennett's value has dropped since he was drafted obviously, but could he still net a late 1st? From the right team probably.

Flames don't have an actual mid to late 1st this year, but they have assets equivalent to that value easily.

The Cobra · 05-31-2018, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Brodie is worth a late first plus

Fox's value is probably nearing a late first

Bennett's value has dropped since he was drafted obviously, but could he still net a late 1st? From the right team probably.

Flames don't have an actual mid to late 1st this year, but they have assets equivalent to that value easily.

That’s a price Calgary should note be paying.

No one is giving up a first for Fox, too much risk.

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GoJetsGo · 05-31-2018, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Pens are going to get a lot more than the Leafs did.

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

No one is giving up a first for Fox, too much risk.

People who obviously have *no idea* what teams will and won't do speaking in absolutes is cringe-worthy bad reading in this thread.

Ragnar · 05-31-2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

People who obviously have *no idea* what teams will and won't do speaking in absolutes is cringe-worthy bad reading in this thread.

Not to worry, thats only the Sith.

Matt Reeeeead · 05-31-2018, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

People who obviously have *no idea* what teams will and won't do speaking in absolutes is cringe-worthy bad reading in this thread.

I get what you are saying, but let’s be real here. Any team that feels confident they will get any “difficult to sign” player signed, would feel pretty comfortable waiting out the process until free agency and keeping their first. Firsts are just so valuable these days that it doesn’t make much sense to cast them aside unless significant value is derived.

So maybe certainties aren’t best being used. But it’s a pipe dream, and complete counter intuitive to suggest a team would really entertain doing it that it’s not relevant to discuss as a legitimate possibility. It’s equally cringe worrying to fantasize about an implausible scenario.

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dino7c · 05-31-2018, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He's under contract for four more years.

Just like Gaudreau. You have to give Johnny some elite talent to work with if you don't want to waste his prime/the time you have him period.

I agree...point my point what the Leafs got for Phil years ago has nothing to do with his current value

sure they sold low I guess, he was also younger at the time