I’m not against the expansion process at all, and I don’t really care if Vegas wins the Stanley Cup in their first year, but I’ve said since the expansion process started that only being to protect 10 players was not very fair to teams who spent years building their depth. A team like Nashville lost James Neal for nothing.
Yeah, and then they lost to the team that got to steal him.
Not very many of the Vegas players would be in Vegas had the expansion rules not been so loose. A couple more protection slots and probably 90% of the Vegas players would still be with their original teams because those teams would have LOVED to keep them. $500 million and Vegas was allowed to pillage the rest of the leagues teams for their very good depth players that they acquired over years of drafting, developing and trading, and as a result Vegas put up 109 point season and are now in the Stanley Cup finals.
Yes, Columbus must be absolutely devastated they lost 25 point Karlsson, or Pittsburgh losing their washed up, overpaid backup goalie that most Flames fans hoped we would stay away from
Face it, the picks were bad, the players were bad, they were predicted to finish in the basement. For the most part they are playing out of their minds and shattered their career highs, mainly from rallying and bonding together during a tragedy.
Guarantee they won't be in the finals again for years and no expansion will ever have a run like this again
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Yes, Columbus must be absolutely devastated they lost 25 point Karlsson, or Pittsburgh losing their washed up, overpaid backup goalie that most Flames fans hoped we would stay away from
Face it, the picks were bad, the players were bad, they were predicted to finish in the basement. For the most part they are playing out of their minds and shattered their career highs, mainly from rallying and bonding together during a tragedy.
Guarantee they won't be in the finals again for years and no expansion will ever have a run like this again
While no one would have seen Karlsson scoring 40 this year, it’s nothing short of ridiculous to suggest losing a 23 year old prospect (high second round I believe) would make Colombus very happy. Would you have been happy losing Ferland for nothing last year? Karlsson is 2 years younger and has the same amount of points as Ferland in the 2016/2017 season.
Your comments on Fleury are not grounded in reality either. If every team in the league didn’t know they had to protect Murray, they would have easily got a first round pick for Fleury. The expansion draft completely tanked his value
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All that doesn't matter. None of these players are let go for free if the original team had the choice. Thus they are not "cast offs". The teams hands were forced by what now look to be way to loose of expansion rules.
The league went overboard from past expansion trying to make Vegas competitive. They allowed them an opportunity to become a juggernaut, and hats off to GMGM, he pulled it off.
That argument doesn't really sway me. If they got the 23rd player you could say the same thing. If every GM gave them an Engelland then we aren't talking about Vegas right now. Some mistakes were made that Vegas capitazlied on and they really put pressure on team's that were in a tough spot.
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While no one would have seen Karlsson scoring 40 this year, it’s nothing short of ridiculous to suggest losing a 23 year old prospect (high second round I believe) would make Colombus very happy. Would you have been happy losing Ferland for nothing last year? Karlsson is 2 years younger and has the same amount of points as Ferland in the 2016/2017 season.
Columbus offered Karlsson and a draft pick to bury the terrible Clarkson contract. Columbus had 3 young prospects to choose from and Karlsson was the worst of the 3 based on Columbus’s analysis.
Vegas didn’t choose Karlsson, but they did their due dilligence, interviewed Karlsson and found that Columbus made him play their system and that wasn’t his strength. Based on that they took the deal.
You have to look at the entire deal and not just pick points for your narrative. If we had a contract as bad as Clarkson, say Brouwer but a million more and 1/2 the production, I would be happy to get rid of that contract by offering Ferland and protecting 2 more players from exposure. It wasn’t for nothing.
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The whole Golden Knights have been gifted into the final is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on CP.
The Oilers were gifted the most talented prospect of the generation and didn't even make the playoffs.
To act like any path to the finals can be gifted in today's NHL, just shows complete pettiness that your team isn't there too.
To see some Flames fans joining in on the pettiness is embarassing of our fan base.
Totally agree with this. The back peddling revisionist history about Vegas being 'gifted' top end talent just screams of bitterness and pettiness imo. It's not even a valid argument but some are still running with it. Just makes me want to cheer for them more to win it all just so some people will lose their minds lol.
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All that doesn't matter. None of these players are let go for free if the original team had the choice. Thus they are not "cast offs". The teams hands were forced by what now look to be way to loose of expansion rules.
The league went overboard from past expansion trying to make Vegas competitive. They allowed them an opportunity to become a juggernaut, and hats off to GMGM, he pulled it off.
The original teams all had a choice, and as a group they chose to take $16 MM each.
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How else is expansion supposed to be accomplished that would entice any owners to join the league? Should the new team only be able to pick 4th liners and be condemned to a decade of being garbage?
Nobody would have predicted this as the result of how that draft happened. It's less that the draft was unfair and more that something remarkable and unusual has been taking place in Vegas this year.
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The whine is incredible, funny, and sad all at the same time. Its completely illogical. I cant remember the post but one guy even said the NHL put together a "juggernaut" in Vegas. Its a team that has had everything come together in near miraculous fashion, not a team loaded with hall of famers. That's why things like intangibles matter -- its the chemistry that gets weaker teams to outperform supposedly stronger teams.
You can't make up the level of irrationality with some of these posts. Not sure how the NHL is supposed to just stop teams from winning because you don't think its fair. In no way was this team constructed to go this far. Get a grip.
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Yup. James Neal, MA Fleury, Riley Smith, Marchissault, Perron, Theodore, McNabb, Engelland, etc. This isn’t garbage bin players. While it is a great and improbable story, they weren’t dealt the hand teams like Ottawa, San Jose, Nashville, Florida, etc were.
Fleury - any team could have had him for a decent pick/prospect and a decent eligible backup goalie.
Riley Smith - not chosen in the expansion draft, was acquired from Florida for a 4th round draft pick.
Marchissault - it is beyond bizarre why Florida didn't protect him, they could have easily.
Theodore - pretty sure he was a throw in so that Vegas would take Stoner instead of Vatanen. Then they traded Vatanen.
Engelland - Huh? he was a free agent. He was going there anyway and didn't cost us anything.
So that leaves
Neal - legitimate good player who Nashville probably wished they could keep.
Perron - a 28 year old veteran 40-50 point guy, with 1 year left on his contract, who is comparable to guys regularly available in free agency. Not exactly a young star player to build a franchise on but a good solid player.
McNabb - Seemed to be good before Vegas but had a rough 2016-17
Wow, that deck was stacked.
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