2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by timbit

Pretty simple.

As stated, apples and oranges.

Terse opaque posts are really annoying to attempt to read. If that's all you've got, just don't bother. It ruins signal to noise ratio.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

How about Hamilton to Ottawa for Mark Stone and a pick 1/2 nd?

Pending Ufa and not in the same class of value. Not even really close IMO. Maybe if that pick is 4 overall.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Pending Ufa and not in the same class of value. Not even really close IMO. Maybe if that pick is 4 overall.

Mark Stone if a pending RFA, not UFA.

He's also a 25 year old 60+ point, 20+ goal winger so while agree Hamilton has more value, the difference isn't 4th overall IMO.

He's also a right hand shot right winger which would fit this team like a glove.

[Aarongavey]

Why not trade Hamonic, his value was also a 1st and two 2nds, much like Hamilton. I would rather move Hamonic if a team is looking for a RHD. A 1st and two 2nds would easily get you a top 6 forward, so Hamonic should be able to get at least a Mark Stone or Nylander type.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Why not trade Hamonic, his value was also a 1st and two 2nds, much like Hamilton. I would rather move Hamonic if a team is looking for a RHD. A 1st and two 2nds would easily get you a top 6 forward, so Hamonic should be able to get at least a Mark Stone or Nylander type.

The Flames are not trading a guy they just traded for who is such a great face for the franchise.

[868904]

There probably is a deal there with Hamilton and Stone.

- Hamilton could help the Sens ease through the departure of Karlsson, he's younger and they can build around him;
- Stone could play on many lines in Calgary. With Johnny and Mony, with Tkachuck and even with his junior line mate Ferland. Flames should be able to put together 3 very good lines with Stone in the fold;
- Stone may sign a long term deal given his western roots and with his brother already here;
- Given Melnyk's history, Sens likely won't want to pay Stone the money and term he's seeking;
- Flames take a hit on the back end but the most ready prospect is Andersson who plays the right side and is an offensive defenceman like Hamilton. He won't replace his production entirely (at least not yet) but maybe Gio produces more offensively when he's not always covering up for Hamilton. You could make the argument that Gio's offense has taken a hit since being paired with Hamilton full time. Could just be Gio deferring to Hamilton and staying back more as the defensive conscience.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Mark Stone if a pending RFA, not UFA.

He's also a 25 year old 60+ point, 20+ goal winger so while agree Hamilton has more value, the difference isn't 4th overall IMO.

He's also a right hand shot right winger which would fit this team like a glove.

Fair enough. Wouldn't be pumped with the trade if it were for the early second this year. Does Ottawa even own their second? What a mess that team is.

Anyhow, I'm firmly in the don't trade Hamilton camp unless for massive return.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Flames are not trading a guy they just traded for who is such a great face for the franchise.

So if the Leafs offer Nylander straight up for Hamonic, the Flames say no he is a great face for the franchise? That would be awful if that was the case.

Fact of the matter is Turris was traded for less than the Hamonic package, so was Eberle. Hamonic theoretically should have some value and he is the 4th best dman on the Flames and a far ways behind Hamilton.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hamonic theoretically should have some value and he is the 4th best dman on the Flames and a far ways behind Hamilton.

Sure if you are only looking at points.

If you look at defensive play. Hamilton is at the bottom.

[JonDuke]

Man, I'm glad someone brought up Stone again. I've had this in my mind for a while now...

For quite some time, there's been lots of interest/talk about Tavares, RoR and Kane. All great players drafted from 2009.

JT, realistically, isn't coming here. Would love it, but am not holding my breath. If I was a betting man, I'd say Kane is going home to Vancouver, cause Dim Jim will overpay. No idea where RoR lands, but I don't care anyway. I've never been a fan of his.

I'd really like to re-visit 6 months ago though and somehow get the 2nd leading scorer from that '09 draft class and land Duchene. He's a left handed shot, and I'd personally prefer a true RH RWer, but he has has quite a few games on the right side of MacKinnon while with the Avs. Since be traded, he had a rough start in Ottawa but was a ppg player for most of, if not all of, the new year. I'm biased as he's one of my favorite players and I'd love to have him here. I think he could truly fit in really well on our second line.

A couple weeks ago, people spoke about how much praise Peters has expressed towards Dougie and Gio. I've also heard him hint or make mention of Brodie on the right side again. I don't think that's happening unless he's paired up with Gio again. I also think Peters isn't a fan of the penalties Dougie takes.

With Karlsson almost certainly leaving Ottawa, (I think he goes to Vegas, but that's irrelevant) I would assume the Sens need to bring in a Dman to fill the void and, more importantly, to save face. Plus...I'd guess Melnyk doesn't want to spend big on the Karlsson extension.

I think Dougie gets moved. I'm horrible at proposals, but I wonder if we could snag both Duchene and Stone.

Dougie, Bennett, and Rittich/Gillies for Duchene and Stone? Do we add a minor prospect, like Fox? How out to lunch is that?
The smaller add-ons can be mixed up at will, but the deal is obviously around Hamilton and Bennett for Stone and Duchene.

Ottawa gets a cost controlled top line defenseman for the another 3 years. They also bring in Bennett, who had a great OHL career only two hours away in Kingston. Maybe being closer to home would be a gamble the Sens are willing to take on a young kid with lots of potential who costs less that a 3rd of Duchene and is 6 years younger. Stone is due for a nice raise as well. Plus, his bro is here. The Sens could save a decent chunk of coin with something like this and I'd love to see Mark alongside Johnny and Monahan.

For the Flames, we'd be going into next season with a line up similar to this:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Stone
Chucky - Janko - Duchene
Ferland - Backlund - Frolik
Mangiapaine- Lazar - Foo

Gio - Brodie
Stone - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson

I dunno. I'm spit balling. I just really want Duchene if he's available. Stone would be magical on our top line, imo. That would be an incredible line up to throw on the ice.

Dare to dream!!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by 868904

Sure if you are only looking at points.

If you look at defensive play. Hamilton is at the bottom.

Is he? Is that what the advance stats say? What is the statistical proof that Hamonic is a better dman? How do their respective stats match up over the past 2 years?

[Lanny_McDonald]

What kind of fans would be suggesting trading away a top play at their position while defending a failed player at his? Sometimes I have trouble differentiating between Oilers fans and Flames fans, and the above explains why. What's next? Gaudreau for a middling defensive defenseman, so we can improve our defensive depth?

[CsInMyBlood]

Id also try to off load Hamonic to any takers. I like Hamonic the person, but not Hamonic the hockey player. He should be shipped out before Hamilton is.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Why not trade Hamonic, his value was also a 1st and two 2nds, much like Hamilton. I would rather move Hamonic if a team is looking for a RHD. A 1st and two 2nds would easily get you a top 6 forward, so Hamonic should be able to get at least a Mark Stone or Nylander type.

I'm concerned for you Mr. Gavey. This whole I hate Treliving thing is really consuming you. LITERALLY every single one of your posts is tied to it in some way or another.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

If the Flames traded Hamilton away maybe they can get a high enough pick that will get them a player that will hopefully one day turn into a player as good as Hamilton.

[TheScorpion]

Trading Hamilton simply for the purpose of getting into the first round is just insane. The Flames are hardly building for the future, this is supposed to be their window. That's such an unnecessary gamble.

[Monahan For Mayor]

The Flames will not be trading Hamilton in a deal where a first round pick is the focus point.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

If the Flames traded Hamilton away maybe they can get a high enough pick that will get them a player that will hopefully one day turn into a player as good as Hamilton.

Pfft. No way another team does that. Imagine how embarrassing it would be for the GM who traded away a pick that maybe someday became a player as good as Hamilton. Especially if all they got back was Hamilton.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trading Hamilton simply for the purpose of getting into the first round is just insane. The Flames are hardly building for the future, this is supposed to be their window. That's such an unnecessary gamble.

Agreed the only player in the draft id even CONSIDER moving Hamilton for is Dahlin. If we really want a first rounder let’s trade Brodie, and I don’t even want that

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'm concerned for you Mr. Gavey. This whole I hate Treliving thing is really consuming you. LITERALLY every single one of your posts is tied to it in some way or another.

And I concerned for you as well my friend. Literally every post you have is a rant about how much you hate Feaster.

I am trying to understand why anyone would want to trade Hamilton when one could trade Hamonic for a high price (likely a 1st line RW, which is what this team needs).

I do not hate Treliving, I think he is a poor GM, there is a difference. Nonetheless, Flames fans are stuck with him. If he is the GM, if I was him I would trade Hamonic way before I would trade Hamilton.