2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

You actually expect him to say publicly that he wants to play somewhere else while under contract with NYI? That is almost never done, and the players who do are severely ostracized by the public. Which is exactly what he does not want.

Players don't say publicly that they want to play somewhere else when they want to be moved, they also don't say they want to stay with the organization when they want to be moved either. They just don't say anything at all on the matter. If a player wants to move on he isn't going to tell the media the opposite only for it to come out later he wanted out, that would lead to your "severely ostracized by the public".

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Many Debbie downers around.

It isn't being a Debbie Downer by being realistic.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It isn't being a Debbie Downer by being realistic.

What makes it more or less realistic than 90% of the posts of this thread? That is the point.

[Erick Estrada]

Being realistic in that Tavares will not sign in Calgary is not being a Debbie Downer. I don't post here to fuel the dreams and fantasies of others. If some of you think it has a good chance of happening, that's great but don't expect everyone to jump on that bandwagon especially when every NHL fan forum is having the same discussion of why they think he will sign there.

[Toonage]

Exactly. We all need to be realistic. We aren't going to win the lottery. We aren't going to buy an island, marry a supermodel or buy a Ferrari.

We're going to trade for Ryan O'Reilly and we'll like it.

[Bingo]

I don't think it will happen, but I get why there's a chance.

When you look at the number of teams that can afford to bring him in, then pare those down by the situations that could provide him a chance to win, toss in a buddy like Hamonic, maybe a wish to play in Canada ... and there's a chance.

Against is his likelihood of staying in New York, the fact that he's an Easterner, and certainly the Flames and their face plant this season.

I can't see it, but I get the chatter.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Being realistic in that Tavares will not sign in Calgary is not being a Debbie Downer. I don't post here to fuel the dreams and fantasies of others. If some of you think it has a good chance of happening, that's great but don't expect everyone to jump on that bandwagon especially when every NHL fan forum is having the same discussion of why they think he will sign there.

No one is asking you to fuel the dreams of others, or any other self important nonsense that you can think up. I just don't see the point in focusing on destroying this fantasy in a thread that is full of fantasies. This one is objectively more likely to occur than the vast majority simply because he is a free agent.
I agree it's unlikely that Tavares will sign here, but it's slightly more likely than us trading for Seguin, or Mark Stone, or a top 5 pick, etc. which have all been discussed and usually don't soak up as much direct derision.

[transplant99]

I don't think there is even a slim chance he signs here unless he allows Hamonic to convince him, and we dont even know if TH would do that, and he has a huge desire to play in Canada. Maybe he values raising children in this kind of city, and that can be a huge influence for sure.

Calgary is NOT on the cusp of winning at this point. It is not a vibrant nor great economy any longer and wont be for the immediate future, and is not a great destination as far as tax breaks etc.

He likely stays in NY, but there are just more attractive destinations as far as competitive and tax implications.

SJ and Vegas are the top ones imo.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Calgary is NOT on the cusp of winning at this point.

Adding Tavares for nothing instantly makes the Flames a contender IMO. And likely a contender for the entire length of a 7 year deal. We’re one of a handful of teams that looks to have a 7 year contending window now should we add Tavares.

That’s a biggest reason why he might consider Calgary IMO. Our young core looks to be contending for a while.

[The Boy Wonder]

we can debate whether JT will sign here but I just don't see it happening.

who's the last big UFA who ever signed in Calgary by choice or even had Calgary in his top 3 teams? I am actually asking because I really can't think of any. (and don't say Frolik, Brouwer, or Jokinen because those guys aren't big free agents)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I don't think there is even a slim chance he signs here unless he allows Hamonic to convince him, and we dont even know if TH would do that, and he has a huge desire to play in Canada. Maybe he values raising children in this kind of city, and that can be a huge influence for sure.

Calgary is NOT on the cusp of winning at this point. It is not a vibrant nor great economy any longer and wont be for the immediate future, and is not a great destination as far as tax breaks etc.

He likely stays in NY, but there are just more attractive destinations as far as competitive and tax implications.

SJ and Vegas are the top ones imo.

I feel like Vegas is an interesting one - seems great if you are 22. If you are 28, engaged to be married, and a prominent NHLer would you really want to go to Vegas? Would your wife really want to go to Vegas?

San Jose has always made the most sense to me. He just feels like such a natural Thornton replacement on that team. That area also just seems like a great place to live, and players seem to love playing there.

Honestly I think Calgary does have a shot but all the rumored pieces (Hamonic best friend, want to play in Canada, Calgary putting up $$$) would have to be true for there to even be a small chance.

I also think it's tough to say Calgary is not on the cusp of winning. This league is so tight. Winnipeg looked like they should fire their coach and GM last year, this year they are 2nd in the league. Things can turn around quickly.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

we can debate whether JT will sign here but I just don't see it happening.

who's the last big UFA who ever signed in Calgary by choice or even had Calgary in his top 3 teams? I am actually asking because I really can't think of any. (and don't say Frolik, Brouwer, or Jokinen because those guys aren't big free agents)

Bouwmeester, although technically didn't quite make it to UFA, certainly fit the bill at the time.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I feel like Vegas is an interesting one - seems great if you are 22. If you are 28, engaged to be married, and a prominent NHLer would you really want to go to Vegas? Would your wife really want to go to Vegas?

San Jose has always made the most sense to me. He just feels like such a natural Thornton replacement on that team. That area also just seems like a great place to live, and players seem to love playing there.

Honestly I think Calgary does have a shot but all the rumored pieces (Hamonic best friend, want to play in Canada, Calgary putting up $$$) would have to be true for there to even be a small chance.

I also think it's tough to say Calgary is not on the cusp of winning. This league is so tight. Winnipeg looked like they should fire their coach and GM last year, this year they are 2nd in the league. Things can turn around quickly.

I can’t see him going to San Jose , old core getting older. Wouldn’t be the move I would expect him to make. No one knows what JT is going to do so it’s pointless to speculate.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would say that having Tavares might propel Calgary to being 'on the cusp' of winning. I mean, I wouldn't bet a penny on Tavares signing in Calgary, but there is a really good situation here. It all depends on how Peters gets this team to play.

Tkachuk - Tavares - Bennett
Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Jankowski - Backlund - Frolik

That's about as good of a top nine as you can find in the NHL, especially so given Tavares propensity for making his wingers sudden all-stars.

Keep the defence as is, and now you also have a lot of depth there for a long playoff run.

Smith is a goalie that you can win with, and I would think that one of Gillies or Rittich just gets a little bit better with their experience.

If he really wants to win, are there many better teams for him to join (and that can afford him?).

Would he REALLY want to join SJ? Absolutely. Would he second guess that decision as he looks carefully at that roster and notices that most of the players are older than him? I would.

It all depends on what he is really looking for. He is 27 and will sign a 7 year deal. He will want to go to a team where the bulk of the core is his age - maybe a bit younger, or at least have an older core with a number of young players seemingly making an impact and pushing that core. Maybe he is adamant about staying east? Maybe he does NOT want to play for a Canadian market.. maybe he prefers a Canadian market.

Tonnes of variables. Calgary is a legitimate consideration when you really look at it, but there are other options that are perhaps better fits. Heck, maybe he will just be a total mercenary and end up in Florida - I am sure someone can make the case that the Panthers would look good with Tavares and Barkov as a #1-2 punch, and it makes great financial sense with taxes.

Would be great if it was in Calgary though...damn that is a nice looking top 9.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Barca

I personally see him re-signing back with the Isles because seems like a loyal dude.

But if he tests free agency, the only Canadian markets I see Tavares signing with are Montreal and Vancouver.

Both need a #1 C and have a lot of cap space next season, two big markets with huge fan bases, beautiful cities and will be the face of the franchise.

Montreal:

Pacioretty - Tavares - Gallagher
Galchenyuk - Hudon - Lehkonen

vs

Dahlen - Tavares - Pettersson
Beartschi - Horvat - Boeser

If anything, this convinces me that Montreal and Vancouver are not contenders for JT at all. Toronto doesn't have the cap space after adding the D they desperately need, and Edmonton has its E tickets.

The only two Canadian cities in the running are Calgary and Winnipeg, and Calgary has a better cap situation.

If JT decides on a hockey market, with a chance to win long term, he will likely land in Vegas or LA, but Calgary could be a dark horse.

[Knut]

Mirtle was on the Fan 960 today saying that Matthews is likely going to get 11+ M per season. It would be really hard to fit in two contracts of that amount. However, Toronto can sell him on being home, ending the cup drought and playing with great players. Also, he mentioned that Gardiner would be gone if that was the case and they likely could not fill the hole on RHD. So, No it doesn't make sense for Toronto. but Toronto media thinks he could take a discount to play there.

Honestly... after Islanders and Sharks the Flames have to be considered a contender for Tavares as well. They can fit him into the salary structure without compromising too much talent.

I still think he ends up back with the Islanders though. They can give him the 8th year and likely pay him the most.

[CliffFletcher]

Tavares signing in Calgary is not very likely.

But it's still more likely than 90 per cent of the trade proposals made in this thread.

[ClubFlames]

Hey, let's not discuss if Tavares will sign here or not because obviously he's not dumb but how about Brodie for Marner. It has to happen now to make sense since they have no GM.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

we can debate whether JT will sign here but I just don't see it happening.

who's the last big UFA who ever signed in Calgary by choice or even had Calgary in his top 3 teams? I am actually asking because I really can't think of any. (and don't say Frolik, Brouwer, or Jokinen because those guys aren't big free agents)

Bouwmeester (not technically a UFA because Sutter traded for his rights, but he could have waited a couple of days and became a UFA if he really didn't want to sign here).

We may be soured because of how things turned out with him, but he was definitely the biggest name UFA that season, and he's still one of the very few high-level players to hit UFA status at the age of 25 (possibly still the only one).

Even Tavares, if he does go to UFA, isn't doing so at the earliest-possible moment because he signed a 6 year second contract.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Adding Tavares for nothing instantly makes the Flames a contender IMO. And likely a contender for the entire length of a 7 year deal. We’re one of a handful of teams that looks to have a 7 year contending window now should we add Tavares.

That’s a biggest reason why he might consider Calgary IMO. Our young core looks to be contending for a while.

Agree to disagree I guess.

The Flames have to many holes in their make-up for one guy to take an also ran to cup contender...thats a long leap.